Outgoing links will lower PR, more content increases

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by mdvaldosta, Oct 31, 2005.

  1. #1
    I've come to the conclusion that not only does pagerank get passed to the sites with outgoing links to them, but they also get some of your page rank. I've never seen this discussed before, but it's definately true. Also, you can bump your own page ranking by having lots of pages with links back to itself.

    Proof? Well only one website but it's clear. I had zero, zip, nada single backlink to my humor website. Never even submitted it to any directories. I had built the homepage, navigation, and developed to parts of the site. I had about 1,000 pages of jokes.

    What happened after Jagger? Even with zero backlinks I got a PR 3 on all undeveloped pages, PR 2 on the homepage (with links to the other parts of the site), and PR 1 on the jokes page (with links to the many pages of jokes). See the site here.

    Obviously, even without any pagerank I guess 1,000 pages added up and all passed rank back to the homepage and other sections. Because the homepage had outgoing links to other parts of the site it got a 2, and the other pages that only linked back to themselves got a 3.

    Weird, but the ONLY backlink showing in G for the homepage was from the sites own joke section.

    Moral of the story... more pages of content = higher PR, and more outgoing links = lower PR.
     
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    That was all after Jagger and the toolbar update. I got happy about the PR and started promoting the site :D

    It wasn't in my sig or anything the either, I didn't even tell anyone about the site. Hell, it's still not near being finished.
     
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    Outgoing links will not decrease your PR. Each page can pass approximately 85% of its PR, so the more outgoing links, the less PR each link receives, but the total remains the same. Google only shows a small sample of backlinks. Just because google doesn't show any, it doesn't mean they aren't counting other backlinks that don't show. A PR3 is very easy to get with just a single link.

    I did a quick check and the first backlink was from 9/25, well before the PR update (moddedmustangs dot com) and there is also a backlink on zeal from 10/9 - so those links are how you got your PR3. Linking internal pages has been discussed many times and is good SEO.
     
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    I still believe you can achieve at least a pr3 with on page/onsite linking optimization.

    It seemed a few of my sites did this last year with no incoming links.
     
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    No, it isn't possible. :|

    PR is based on links. Simple as that.
     
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    perhaps you received backlinks even without asking. there are tons of scrapper sites out there..
     
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    Yea I tried the zeal thing, the sites still not listed and that link was in a PR0 thread, same as the ModdedMustangs link - PR0.

    So, I got a PR2 site with PR3 sub pages and a PR1 sub page all from 2 PR0 urls. Interesting. Also, how does this explain the fluctuations in the PR between pages?

    I know it goes against SEO beliefs, but there really is no had 2 PR0 backlinks" doesn't. Besides, the backlinks pointed to the homepage. How can you explain the pages having PR3 that still, to this day, have no external links to them.
     
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    I didn't take the time to go through all your links - those were just a couple which I know pre-dated the last PR update. PR is determined by links pointing to your site. Higher inner PR happens a lot. Even a PR0 site is really a .01 to .99 so when you see a PR0, it doesn't mean it has no PR value.

    A PR3 is really, really easy to get. Your homepage might be a 2.99 and the inner pages a 3.01 or a difference of 1%. I often get a PR4 on a site with no link building done by myself... You get scrapper sites that add links without your knowledge- even on inner pages. You might not have done a link to any inner page, but a scrapper site might have. Toolbar PR is always a look at the past, so it's also possible that a link which existed has been taken down (like one of those "We've added a link to your site.....".

    PR is ALL about pages "voting" for your site - it has nothing to do with content. Outgoing links will do nothing to decrease your PR. I had a PR4 site that I added 4,000 outgoing links (directory of providers, not a single reciprocal) and the PR didn't change- so no outgoing links to 4,000 with no PR change (and I didn't add any incoming links).
     
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    Dude, as Oliver already pointed out Yahoo shows 87 backlinks to your domain, and the ones I checked have PR (including for example a PR3 thread at Drupal). That is how you got PR period. Sub-pages don't need external backlinks to get PR, PR is passed from the index page.
     
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    Dude, read the whole thread before you throw your 1 cents in. And don't "Dude" me, nobody's being argumentative this is just a discussion.

    Then lets just say the home page has a PR2 because of backlinks, then how do the subpages (with no backlinks other than from other subpages and the homepage) get a PR3, and the only sub page that could have backlinks on it's own getting a PR1 (the page with all the outgoing links to content).
     
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    That's just a bunch of hooey. This has been discussed many times over. Compar, where the hell are you? Outgoing links DO NOT lower the pr of the page on which they appear. Period.
     
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