OSX vs. Vista

Look anywhere in the business world the majority will run Xp SP2, it is to early to see vista there and OSX is a foreign language. In homes there are a few more Macs but Windows are still run more. So for me I would definatly have to say XP for now until SP1 of Vista comes out

 

SP1 should be an improvement and make it worthwhile to take a look at Vista. As for now, I feel that XP is still the best choice, due to OS X's oft stated compatibility and networking issues.

 

OSX

Vista

 

i would go with mac if i have a laptop and windows if i have a pc because its much easier to update.

 

I agree with you on this. The real reason you should switch is security. I switched to Ubuntu because it is free and the next best thing to OS X.

 

OS X is not nearly as safe anymore as people think. The problem with OS X users is they are almost cocky about not having to run firewalls/antivirus, etc. This will eventually lead to a hackers wet dream.

 

OS X has a built in firewall locked down by default, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, most users do not run antivirus because there are virtually no viruses for OS X. You cannot install anything in OS X with out an admin password. Each file has different permissions making it more difficult to get system access unless you get root. OS X uses sudo instead of root for further protection. You need to read up on Unix based systems before making claims like that.

 

Think whatever you want. OS X has been hacked numerous times already, and viruses/worms already exist. Its just a matter of time before they fully break the system and take advantage of cocky users such as yourself. The fact is, hackers want challenges and sure OS X provides one for them. However, its just a race to the finish line.

 

Dude, I do not even use OS X. So, do not call me a cocky user! I put a valid fact based argument and you just name call. Name calling usually means you lost the argument. You said it, "Its just a matter of time before they fully break the system." You just admitted that it is secure. lol. Obviously you have no clue about Unix and are just giving ignorant opinions. I have no problems with Microsoft. A lot of my friends work there and I grew up one stop sign from the main campus. OS X is just a lot more secure. Why don't you try Ubuntu, its free and can be booted from a live CD. Then once you understand Unix come back with a valid factual argument.

 

rofl...offended much? I said the OS was already tapped into many times, but its a matter of time before they fully exploit the fact that users just rely on basic OS protection. Unix and Mac users are like fuckin animal rights activists all in your face. It's like you refuse to believe anything other then the hype that all the other users feed each other. I have nothing against any other OS as I have said before in about 50 million threads about OS vs OS, that I feel it comes down to personal preference. But there are always those who are like omfg no way this OS owns the other because of blah blah blah...

 

I am only offended by the ignorance. You have no clue about Unix based systems. They were designed first for security and second for a multi-user enviroment. Those extra Windows security features are patches for design error. There you go again calling names again, "fuckin animal rights activists". It is more than personal preference. Facts do count. Go to the link below and look up Vista vs. OS X 10. Vista has 2 pages of vulnerabilities and OS X has Zero.

http://www.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities

 

dude your an idiot lol. I say one thing about security declining and you jump like a rabbit. For one thing I never even said shit about Vista, I just said that MAC is counting down to security troubles. UNIX is an OS that hackers know the most about so what makes you think they won't crack into it? Here's a quote from the reading material I will leave you with:

http://www.macworld.com/article/50595/2006/05/sans.html

http://www.sans.org/top20/2005/spring_2006_update.php

http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/apr2001/nf2001051_727.htm


However, I am sure you will have an argument about this as well so just keep believing your fairy tale, go buy a couple of unix shirts, and have a good night.



By the way on the site you gave me to go to...they have these vulnerabilities listed...lol?

Apple Safari Subframe Same Origin Policy Violation Vulnerability
2008-01-15
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26911

Python ImageOP Module Multiple Integer Overflow Vulnerabilities
2008-01-15
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/25696

Perl Unicode Regular Expression Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
2008-01-09
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26350

Samba NMBD_Packets.C NetBIOS Replies Stack-Based Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
2008-01-08
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26455

Samba NMBD Logon Request Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
2008-01-08
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26454

Apple Mac OS X v10.5.1 2007-009 Multiple Security Vulnerabilities
2008-01-07
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26910

Adobe Flash Player On Opera Browser For Mac OSX Unspecified Vulnerability
2007-12-19
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26274

Apple Mac OS X Catalog and Distribution File Arbitrary Command Execution Weakness
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26908

CUPS IPP Tag Handling Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26268

Apple Mac OS X Mail Arbitrary Code Execution Vulnerability
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26510

Ruby on Rails Session Fixation Vulnerability
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26598

Samba NSS_Info Plugin Local Privilege Escalation Vulnerability
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/25636

Ruby on Rails Multiple Vulnerabilities
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26096

Ruby Multiple Libraries SSL Multiple Insecure Certificate Validation Weaknesses
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26421

Macromedia Flash Multiple Unspecified Security Vulnerabilities
2007-12-18
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/17106

Apple Mac OS X ubc_subr.c Local Denial of Service Vulnerability
2007-12-13
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26840

Apple Mac OS X Mach_Loader.C Local Denial of Service Vulnerability
2007-12-13
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/26700

 

The patches for these came out long before they were listed on the site. Just check the "solutions" tab.

 

Them being patched or not was not my point. The fact of the matter is exploits are continuously getting worse for apple users. You can't just turn them on and go do whatever you want freely anymore.

 

for someone who has been using windows for years, Its very hard to say good bye to windows and switch to some other OS

 

The title of this thread is OS X vs Vista. Why do you insist on name calling. It does not help your argument. I am still amazed that you did not even know OS X has a built in firewall and continue with this debate after showing your amazing ignorance of OS X.

You are proving my point! Thank you. From your link:

The key word is MAY. That means might be an issue in the future but there is not now. You have proved my point that OS X is more secure. Anything is possible in the future and somebody might be able to completely break it. But, that is speculation and cannot be proved. Every OS is going to have flaws and over time they will be found. The point is OS X is the lesser of evils.

Your whole argument is what potentially might happen in the future and not what is reality now. Take a look at the attachments and search the site the same way if you do not trust them. Sorry I cannot provide links because the way the site is set up.

 

Just keep thinking your smart bro...I suppose not a bad quality to have. As for name calling...who gives a fuck and why does that bother you so much? I am not saying your an idiot to support an argument, I say it because I believe it. Apple's demise has started and will get worse. When did I say OS X didn't have a firewall? So what if people use the basic already installed firewall, thats like saying windows firewall is enough when in reality it isn't. Sure the firewall isn't totally useless, but stop being so naive. And yes Internet Explorer sucks but who the hell uses it anymore? In my opinion OS X sucks for many reasons unrelated to security, but all I was saying was that their bulletproof security is going away now that they are relying on UNIX. It's sad that you worship an OS so much...

 

That where you said OS X didn't have a firewall.

Name calling and swearing does not bother me at all. It is just what a lot of people do when they have lost an argument.

You keep on proving my points. You stated that OS X is bulletproof security, but in the future it is going away. So at this time you believe OS X to be bulletproof. Thanks for making my case again. I do not believe it is bulletproof but it is the best at this moment. You did not even to know that OS X had a built in firewall and now you are saying the firewall is not better than Windows firewall. lol. Even if OS X has security issues like Windows in the future why is it going to hurt Apple? Windows has a ton of security issues and Microsoft keeps making billions.

You have lost every point and base your claims on what might happen.

 

By firewalls i meant 3rd party firewalls not in-built OS firewalls...can you not get that from reading what I said? You only pay attention to small parts of what I say then immediately work on your counter post. You act as if you've won some argument when I am not arguing I am stating my opinion of Apples future. You just refuse to listen and refuse to allow anyone to have another opinion because you're too hard headed. You're just another typical UNIX user. By the way, it's going to hurt Apple because it will hit a mass amount of users that only rely on basic protection. There is no might...it will happen and I can't wait.

 

Why are you assuming that 3rd party firewalls are better in OS X? The Unix world is different than the Windows. You are full of assumptions and not facts. Like how do you know I pay attention to only small parts? I respond to your weak points and shoot them down. That is how you debate and come to the best conclusion. You also assume that I refuse to listen and won't listen to another opinion. I love to hear other opinions. I learn from them and use them to decide what is right. You have turned this to a debate about me and not OS X vs Vista like the thread is titled. Your argument is about what might happen in the future. Can you predict the lottery too? The reality now is OS X is a lot more secure than Vista. In the future OS X might have issue like Vista but nobody knows for sure. Unix's basic security starts at the file level. Protection from the bottom up. Do you know what this is? drwxr-xr-x user group.