OSX vs. Vista

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by mark123456, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. JKulp42757

    JKulp42757 Well-Known Member

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    #421
    I just don't understand the mac vs pc war. Use what works for you, they are both great, and each have their own place.
     
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    #422
    I like vista it have a nice design and improves a couple of things.
     
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    #423
    I say OSX as in my mind vista overall failed aside from the looks which osx covers
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #424
    Vista kinda reminds me of a PC with Aqua.. I already have that.. An intel based Mac... ;)
     
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    #425
    i hate macs
    im gona stick to windows
     
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    #426
    Well no one is forcing you to. My point is there isn't a "better" OS, or type of computer. Apple and Microsoft have both brought out great, and not so great technologies. Neither is perfect, but in the end it works out for the consumers.
     
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  7. The General

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    #427
    My point is that saying "Buy a mac as well" really isn't a good argument.
     
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    #428
    Ok, how about, "Buy a mac because it will blow your socks off and you will never want to buy another pc again".
     
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    #429
    I've already told you why I can't do that, but that is still better argument.
     
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    #430
    Neither! I use Xp, because Vista sucks. (also Mac sucks) :)
     
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    #431
    Well there we have it. Someone who is honest:D I agree with you. Vista has bugs, I just don't think its a useless peice of crap at the moment.
     
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    #432
    That isn't my argument. My argument is use what you want. If you can afford both, get both, if you can't, then get what you'll use most. It's really not that complicated. -_-
     
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    #433
    I have a question for Mac users. And this is an honest one. Give me five major reasons why I should leave my PC and get a Mac. I want good answers. Not the crappy ones you find in the Mac commercials.
     
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  14. Mia

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    #434
    1. More software - you can run OSX based applications, Windows Based Applications and a whole host of BSD/NIX based applications.

    2. Less over all cost of ownership. The average shelf life of a PC running windows is about 2 years or less. A Mac is 7 years. What I mean is if you put a Mac and PC of the same age next to each other, the Mac will still be useful 7 years later.

    3. They just look cooler.. I think that goes without saying. I have a mini at home on my desk and it sits under my 22" LCD.. You'd never know I have a computer.. Takes up less desk space, gives off less heat.. Just looks damn cool..

    4. Updates... The Mac OS, or OSX as it were now, sees major revisions/updates all of which are free on a regular basis, practically every month... The OS itself has a complete re-vamp almost annually. Compare that to Windows 95 which say no major update until close to 2001.

    5. Security.. Every Mac out of the box is darn near dumbass proof... I've never had a virus, never any malware, spyware, NOTHING...

    I've got an iBook 14.1" I use at home as my main machine... I've owned 4 PC laptops over the same period I have owned that little iBook... I don't see myself buying another iBook for quite some time yet.. Though it would be nice.. I just cannot seem to find a legitimate reason to leave this one behind. It still works.. It's still faster than my current PC laptop, and it just looks so much cooler..
     
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    #435
    I can, but i'm against wasting money when I've already shelled out for thousands of pounds of computing equipment fairly recently.

    Not really, there is practically no software on a mac which doesn't have an equivalent (frequently the same program) or better on the pc.
    No, blatantly false. It's a huge generalisation at the best of times and, even assuming a very high-end mac, to vague a definition of "useful". My old Time desktop is still "useful", but I wouldn't want to use it every day.
    Yes, but form over function is a bad philosophy. Macs do, in fact, run hotter because the cramped cases don't allow for powerful fans.
    I don't recall any news of major changes except for new versions of the OS, which were paid.
    Granted but, to be honest, I've never had a virus on my pc, either.
    Do you play games on it or do much other than office tasks? What are the specs on the two laptops? I doubt that your iBook is faster than most mid-range pcs.
     
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    First I'm glad you spent some time to actually give me some answers. Thanks. But I did find two faults.

    PC'S shelf life do exceed 2 years. It seems like they are only two years because a lot of people can afford to upgrade their laptop or pc every two but my pc has been with me for 3 going on four years and its running strong. Before I bought my new notebook my old HP pavillion was running 3.5 years straight without a hitch until customer support decided i needed a new HD when I did not ask for one and it went down hill from there.

    I will not dispute that Mac's are the sexier of the two machines. Only Sony comes close to rivaling them so I give you rep for that.

    While the Mac gets major upgrades every two or so years from what I have heard they have not really affected the overall system performance drastically. Last one to do that was OSX.

    And we do know that its almost next to impossible to upgrade a mac. They run into problems and further more you don't have a wide range of upgrade options unlike PC where you can find at least 20-50 different semi conductor companies who can give you a deal on RAM.

    But thanks for the points. Quite valid......although alot of them don't equal to suomthing substantially better.
     
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    #437
    Your loss.

    Bootcamp runs windows like a native pc. You get the best of both worlds.

    A pc is worth $50 after a few years, a midrange mac is worth $500 after the same amout of time.

    Apple can concentrate on "form" because "function" has been covered long time ago.

    Comes through the "software update" tool automatically.

    You got lucky. Very Very lucky. Or you dont have teenagers in your house ;)
     
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  18. Mia

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    Ah, if you read my post you would have noticed that I can run the "better" PC program on my Mac.. I can run PC applications natively.. Not an emulator, NATIVE...

    No, it is completely true. We had some Mac based web servers pulled off line about a year ago. The three of them were still working just fine and were built in 1994. That's well over 10 years old.. The oldest PC based web server I own is probably 2 years old.

    Ask any school district about cost of ownership... They tend to go with Mac's because not only will they be able to have them around 3 times as long, but they cost less to support.

    Compare this cost of ownership if you will. I have a friend who is a Mac LAN admin at a large corporation. He and one other guy support 250 Macs. 2 guys, 250 Macs. That same corp has 11 admins for 200 PC's. Go figure...

    Huh? When was the last time you opened a Mac up? The iMac did not even have a fan it.. As for cramped cases and heat? You really need to open one up.. There is a hell of a lot of space, and fans on processors, PS, drives, etc.. I've got a G5 and it has 5 smart fans in 4 fan assemblies. I'm not sure you've ever seen the inside of a Mac..

    Space wise, I had an old G3 that I upgraded to a G4 with 6 drives in it.. Seems there was more than enough room inside..

    You don't recall because you have already displayed that you do not know. The OSX major version releases are paid, yes, but updates, ie., incremental updates... are done often and are free.. I'm not talking about security updates here, I am talking about an update that MS would charge you for, then slap a name like ME, or SE on...

    Turn off your firewall, and remove any anti-virus software you have, and wait.. I'll do the same... See who gets one.. ;)

    I don't waste my time with games... My work centers around everything from high end graphics, to video editing, web centric, coding, music mixing, web serving, and beyond.

    My iBook is a 1GHz PPC G4 640MB DDR RAM 120GB HD
    It smokes my new ACER at the most trivial of tasks.. And it is 5 years old, I think.. Hell, I cannot even remember..
     
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    #439
    Very true but if you can afford it, I say why not go for it unless you have already tried it and hate it.
     
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    np

    Let me qualify that.. PC's are easily upgradable, but the truth is, after a couple years, it is often times cheaper or the same money to just replace the unit with a better one than to try to upgrade the existing one.. I mean all that is really worth saving when upgrading is probably the case, maybe the P/S... The MB, RAM, Drives, even video card all need to be replaced... At that point, you might as well start over...

    I don't know that I would give sony that much credit.. ;)

    Actually they have.. Beyond increasing performance, they tend to add features that make you more productive...

    FYI, OSX was not a revision or upgrade, it was a new OS, entirely... The move from classic to OSX is not really a fair comparison in the world of upgrades as it did more than just upgrade the OS, it changed it entirely from a single user single tasking OS to a true multi-taking , multi-user environment.. Something windows still does not have.

    I cannot remember the last time I had a crash, and I have never had one single application take the entire machine down.. Cannot say the same of my Windows PC... I also cannot remember the last time I had to reboot after doing something so simple as making a network change.. In some cases, even under XP, you still have to do that..

    Impossible to upgrade a Mac? What? I can, and have and could still to this day, upgrade a MacPlus...

    There are literally tens of thousands of upgrade components out there for the Mac. There is not a single Mac past or present that you cannot upgrade the processor, the ram, whatever...

    BTW, the RAM you are talking about? Same stuff that goes in a PC, usually goes in a MAC.. Nothing special there...

    FYI OWC and Sonnet are two great places to get Mac parts, upgrades, whatever... If you can't find it elsewhere, they are gonna have it..

    Different does not always equal better... I often joke with my PC friends asking me why I just don't use my PC more.. I tell them, if you had a Ferrari, would you really want to drive your kids Escort?
     
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