Hello and thanks in advance, I am in need to grab a (verified) phone number from visitors that optin to our offers. How do you suggest me doing it? It's already hard to get an email address. How the heck am I going to get a phone number? Any ideas? My employer is a p...k! P.S.: 1) I thought about offering a podcast but I am not sure what service to use to get a verified phone number (the system would have to call the prospect with a password or something...) 2) The other option would be a form that collects first name, and phone number. Do you know any service that would dial a phone number and deliver an access code?
the simplest way is to have them dial a toll free number that captured the caller id, as well as allowing them to leave their name, email and phone after the message But the reality is people are HAPPY to give you the phone number, email and anything else you want in exchange for something of value "FREE NEWSLETTER" is not incentive to signup...that just spells "let me spam you" instead give a free report, free gift, how to guide, sample of service etc BRIBE them....do not ask for money or anything, or even a long term commitment...make that the FREE bonus to signing up for your newsletter...require a phone number
Thanks! A system where a user dials a toll free number that captured the caller id is a less than ideal solution because the user didn't give us the permission to call him/her. Thanks for your input anyway. I will continue to research...
actually, they called you first which makes them a contact and you are inline with fax, telephone and email laws in the USA also note i said they LEAVE YOU A MESSAGE with their contact info...giving you permission to contact them. I've been using this method for 18 years the key being...it has to be WORTH it for them to do so....just asking is not enough. give them "incentive"
Oh I see. Maybe worth trying. Do you have any company you recommend for this kind of service? I guess you then manually type the leads into your database right? The option I was talking about (a form that collects first name, and phone number linked to a service that would dial a phone number and deliver an access code) if such a service exists is particularly appealing because all is saved automatically into the database.
Caller ID is meaningless; anyone can fake it. It's just like the "From:" address on an email message. A service that calls a number and delivers an access code wouldn't be that hard to set up. It's just some asterisk scripting.
i guess if your thinking the stuff on your home phone....maybe but with a toll free number, you see what the REGISTERED number is....FCC regulations you can not even mark a call private....look it up
if the number they leave is the same number, you can pull from your reports. there are some pbx type systems that you can configure to do that...the tech exists, and so you can do it, however i am not aware of a 3rd party service that would do it for say, a monthly fee. you would be getting the equipment, programming, paying all charges etc. you can do polling with the number also, so you can ask a series of questions, and then QUALIFY your leads that way.
Thank you all for your time. I am not sure if that would do what I need it to do. Imagine this: Visitor comes to webpage and fill form with name and phone number Data is inserted in an online database System dials the number and deliver password That is what I need. The service may not be available. How do I go about creating it? Any ideas?
I am not aware of a system that does that (doesnt mean its not out there) but there are plenty of telephony products that will accomplish that. taking numbers and putting them into the autodialer is the easy part. Dynamically assigning a passcode, and then having it actually spoken to the receiver of the call is where its gonna get you in programming. Look up asterisk, telephony, VOIP, and the one that will really help you IP-PBX which is the industry term for doing all that fancy stuff your talking about. google will help you find a lot using those terms. also be sure to check out http://www.trixbox.com/products and http://www.phoneblogz.com
Yeah, maybe in 1990. These days ANI is as much a mess as CLID. Try 1-800-444-4444 from your home phone (it will read your number back as delivered via ANI) and then call again with Skype. Let us know how that goes for you. I just direct dialed it from my mobile phone (here in Malaysia). It said I was calling from 2122017278, which is some calling card service. So in this case it's even less accurate than caller ID; when I dial people in the USA they normally get a fairly close representation of my actual number. Then I tried it from my office phone, which is on a US phone system (I work for an American company, which is how I learned to spell "color" and "center"). It came up as the main number for the company, even though that number is handled by an entirely different carrier from my phone and the system it's on. So ANI was being specifically faked in this case.
neither of us specified....i am guessing he is not going to have a system calling all over the world...not to mention toll free numbers are not good globably, only certain countries. so if this is an international project, you are correct, not a good solution. If most customers are in north america it is. (majority of skype users are overseas) the question is not IF caller ID can be faked...of course it can and other countries...especially those we consider 2nd or 3rd world....they have very poor communications infrastructures, and get resold to death, so yeah...would be hard to identify. but we are talking a lead generatings system....why would there be a need? how many people have multi-line office phones and key systems, just to scam some newsletter? This is the USA...not Nigeria. and lastly...how is it people are STILL missing the fact, I said people should LEAVE A MESSAGE with contact info???
Again you have very outdated information. USA toll free numbers can normally be called from anywhere (at the cost of a standard call to the USA). And the examples I provided included calls originated in the USA. Even Skype calls to USA numbers are originated within the USA as far as the phone system knows. Anyway, my only point is that there is no reliable way of ensuring a caller is who your phone tells you it is, whether or not you have a toll-free number. Anyone can get one of those cheap calling cards that lets you disguise your number, and many people already have them - e.g., http://www.spoofcard.com/ I don't know how many people would care to fake it out in this case, but I am speaking to the general case of telephone authentication.
uh....yah ok so when I say: not good globably, only certain countries thats different than you saying: toll free numbers can normally be called from anywhere Can EVERY country call toll free numbers? NO also, depending on the carrier some numbers are USA ONLY or NA ONLY Considering I have used and sold them for about 15 years now...I'm gonna guess I know what I am saying...I'm talking experience here...not "google" or "wikipedia" knowlege lastly, how does ANYTHING you have posted so far help the person who is looking for a solution? i guess some people have to make SOME kind of point...even if its irrelavent to the conversation
Can you name one from where people can't call standard USA toll-free numbers? I am sure that one exists - maybe North Korea? - but it would be an exception. It depends on the configuration of the particular number. I guess some companies might not support geographic restrictions but that's a different claim. And I have installed custom phone systems, large and small, in almost 20 countries on 4 continents and dealt with this crap more than anyone should have to. But it doesn't matter if I'm Alexander Graham Bell; what matters is the veracity of the specific statements made. I will happily give you references for anything you question. In my first response I corrected a mistake someone else had made, and then gave some feedback as to the feasibility of what the person was looking for. Since then I have just concentrated on trying to make sure that subsequent misstatements were corrected. Partly in the interest of future visitors to the thread, and partially because I value fact and truth for its own sake.
installing telephone key systems and working with this type situation are totally different. Your talking in-house equipment, extensions and such I am talking carriers, routing, POP etc. SPECIFICALLY NANP toll free #s totally different. your confusing an IFS with a typical toll free number in the USA why don't you look THIS up: ==CANADA....most often complained about country unable to call the USA! (You would have to have dealt with toll free numbers for some years to know this, not just the actual phone equipment people dial/answer with) add to the list India UK (certain areas..the rest can dial, but get a recording saying a TOLL will apply) Russia ==DEFAULT for toll free in usa is USA and Canada...although some of canada is generally blocked ==in the usa there is a SURCHARGE for receiving calls from payphones, so its OPTIONAL to allow these calls in. ==Also, in general international calls cannot make it through, and if they do they become tolled calls for both the caller and recipient ==countries that can call usa toll free numbers, are actually calling THROUGH usa lines, kinda like the company's phone system you work for. This started with calling cards and VOIP (ie MCI world and Vonage) Direct dial from that country just don't make it. ultimately...MANY toll free numbers place regional restrictions on callers....some even for their local area only again your quest for truth, as noble as it sounds...helps no one, but your ego...definitely not this poster...But if it makes you feel better, you at least SOUND like you have a clue.
Perhaps; I'm not a key system guy and I wouldn't claim to have a handle on whey they do and do not know. I work with companies that have multinational presence and need to adapt to the peculiarities of the different telecom environments. Believe it or not, I have learned a thing or two along the way. Almost everyone I've worked with has had USA toll-free numbers. In some cases they need them routed back through systems I'm working on. The easiest way to make casual tests is to whip out my cell phone (with local SIM) and dial the number directly. I have never been anywhere this did not work - though to be fair I don't do much work in North America, my expertise is oddball environments. I also travel more extensively on related business. 75 countries in the past few years. When I need to contact the head office, which happens all the time, again I pick up the phone and dial it (+1.888.xxx.xxxx). Always works. Didn't used to several years back; does now. Yes, I know what you are talking about. But your practical knowledge in this specific domain is out of date. Everyone knows this. Canada, being in NANPA, is a special case because callers there have an expectation that calls to 800/888/877/866 numbers will be free, so the (artificial) international call cost is passed on. A US toll-free customer who wishes to receive calls from Canadian callers will have to pay a higher per-minute rate and many don't want to. This has nothing to do with non-NANPA origination. Works fine for me. And then the call works fine. It is billed, as I said, as a normal direct-dialed call to the USA. The presence or absence of the recording has nothing to do with "areas", but with carriers. Works fine for me. Yes they can. They couldn't in the 1980s. I find it remarkable that you would have me believe all these calls I made didn't actually work. Maybe I was talking to the dial tone? Yes, which is why I said "USA toll free numbers can normally be called from anywhere (at the cost of a standard call to the USA)." Not many. It used to be more popular than it is now, back when people were paying 25c/minute and Sherman's Kentuckiana Auto Repair was worried about misdials and pranks from Idaho. That's not such an impressive feat, considering I have years of direct personal experience with what I'm talking about.
apparently everyone knew this except you.... canada is a country....a big one...and it BORDERS the USA...so...uh...well...wait...its a "special case"....i can show you 30 of those "special" cases...but it's pointless...you THINK you know what your talking about! But you are clueless apparantly...and then backpedal when called on it. I won't even need to read the rest of your dribble...as you just confirmed, you don't know what you're saying and are simply typing, just to see the words you wrote actually appear online. Maybe its just to get your post count up. you have yet to contribute anything to this thread USEFUL to the original poster. so why bother? I for one will be ignoring any further posts you make in this thread