Operation Iranian Freedom

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by latehorn, Oct 5, 2005.

  1. INV

    INV Peon

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    #21
    Syria is the same as Iraq in many ways, as those suicide groups are heavy down there.

    #2 I am not american, so I have to ask you. Do you people acctually get brainwashed well enough to believe what you hear your president is telling you about this Nuclear threats?

    Iraq had weapons for decades and was using them acitivly on Israel in the early 90's and US didn't make any moves then.

    However, Iraq was never a threat to USA though, or could ever be at the current and long lasting power (money) of USA. Iraq wouldn't try to start a war with US because it would be a huge lose for them and the benifits you get from building a militery economicly wouldnt be able to support all the lose from such a loaded country to go to war against.

    If US chooses to go in after more oil digging thats fine with me, I support it. But I can't stand this BS about all the sudden terrorist problem. Get it straight people, stick your head out of the box from american media... This stuff has been going on for life times, its not terrorism.. Its how the world is!

    No Offence personally though! Much Love!
     
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  2. latehorn

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    #22
    I'm not american either, my media brainwash us to believe that terrorists got their reasons and other BS. Diggin for oil is necessary, oilprice will go skyrockets otherwise. Terrorism exists, and countries like Iran and Syria supports terrorgroups.
     
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  3. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #23
    I hope I'm reading you incorrectly, but you're not stating it's ok for a country to attack another country for oil are you? Maybe I'm misunderstanding your posts, but I honestly am not following them.
     
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    #24
    When countries actively support mass murder attacks on civilians, they are supporting terrorism. Terrorism is very real.

    Where were you in the early 1990s? Iraq was using the weapons against Isreal during the Gulf War, and they were subsequently defeated. What do you mean that the US didn't make any moves then?
     
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  5. latehorn

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    #25
    But now we have a reason for doing that: Iran develop nukes

    btw.. you said that you don't care about others than your countrymen. I can't see why you should care now.
     
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  6. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #26
    Well we certainly did not make a move against Iraq when saddam was actually slaughtering his citizens. Some could argue we supported him.

    Again I asked you for proof, or do you just like jibber jabbing?

    I never stated that! I know what I said, post the thread and I'll gladly debate what I said but I NEVER STATED THIS!
     
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  7. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #27
    latehorn I found it for you.
    You posted

    Of which I responded
    If you wish to debate the actual merits of what I said fine, but please do not outright lie and state


     
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  8. zman

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    #28

    Actually, I havent heard the president say much about Iran. Its more of what I am hearing from soldiers in Iraq and officials in the middle east.


    So why didnt we do somethign about it? Or are you just going to blame Bush for that?

    And you know this how?

    NO! This is what seperates us from the rest of the world. WE DO NOT ACCEPT ""its how the world is". BULLSHIT! You want to live wondering if the train you get on will blow up then suit yourself, but for me... FUCK THAT!

    Its time to kick ass and take names later. :mad:

    None taken. Comments like yours are common in the liberal realm and are a reason why we are having problems beating this beast.

    My opinion here.
     
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  9. latehorn

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    #29
    what kind of proof is good enough for you?
    You must like jibberjabb, you did it very much in the antiwarthread :p

     
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    #30
    Possibly a news article, nothing you have stated or linked to even implies Iran making nukes.

    Your quote below is selective as it takes out items and takes it out of context, I stated the following!

    The intent was stating in my patriotic spirit, not that I honestly do not care for anyone else outside of my country. The realy don't care statement is stating I do not care if I get flamed because I would back it up further as to why I felt this way, and to how everyone in reality feels that way in all logic 'well most everyone at least'

    Man I may not be the best debater but you seriously need a bit more education and the ability to form a rational thought before even attempting to post.
     
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  11. latehorn

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    #31
    Vice President Reza Aghazadeh said Iran has started converting raw uranium into the gas needed for enrichment, an important step in making a nuclear bomb.
     
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  12. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #32
    HUGE DIFFERENCE, I back up my points with actual facts :confused:

    The way you're posting I could simply state GWB is proven to be devil, we should take him out now.

    Then when asked for proof simply post comments such as
    Or to prove GWB to be the devil.

    I think his relationship with rich people is proofs enough. Rich people drive poor people into the dirt causing evil.

    The rich don't need more money they already have enough but brain wash poor to thinking they help them.

    Sorry tried to type it as close to what you actually would do :)
     
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  13. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #33
    Post the article that shows this and the gas can ONLY be used for nuclear weapons. Then we can go from there with a debate, who knows I might be on your side but not until you post an actual rational thought that's worth being debated.

    --edit I dediced to be nice and help you out if I read your statement correctly to at least give some merit to them.


    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/esfahan.htm
    However once would than need to research what 'hexafluoride is' if you do not know what it is, I have posted a link for this as well for you.

    http://www.ieer.org/fctsheet/uranium.html

    According to this even using raw uranium for peaceful power plant purposes the uranium would still first need to be converted into hexafluoride than enriched to Uranium dioxide 'used for power' or metal which is used for weapons and reactors.

    Sorry I fail to see how what you stated is proof enough for an all out invasion of another country.
     
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    #34
    The peace is rather shakey with some of them, if you ask me. You may have peace now but not later. Israel (Jewish) has had to deal with hostilities from it's (muslim) neighbours for decades. Hostilities like that don't die down easily. Israel has something like 9% of it's population in the military, the highest ration in the world (the US has something like 1%). They have won all their previous wars because of them being twitchy and ready to react very, very quickly.

    Lol, you think things are going well with Palestine? Are you stupid? It's still very unstable.
     
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  15. INV

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    #35
    It's all lies. There is no peace with Palestine. They always have agreements and those scumbags still have there little bombings. I remember even a piece of beautiful land I visited once was given away as a peace agreement and its all BS, there is no peace or will ever be between them.
     
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  16. latehorn

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    #36
    Well.. Abbas is probably the best palestinian president for israel that ever existed.
     
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    #37
    heres a building from Tehran:
    [​IMG]
     
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    #38
    So? I see worse than that inside of the US. Where are you from might I ask as you appear to be doing anything you can to make american citizens hate Iran, yet still not providing any proof as to why we should attack them?

    The government might be evil, but so are alot of others out there and it is not the US's job to work as the world police, at least it shouldn't be.
     
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  19. latehorn

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    #39
    Im from scandinavia.

    Your proof speaking is very pathetic. Iran knows how they should do to prevent those proofs to show up. I don't think that they are idiots. WMDs are generally very easy to hide. Thats probably why US haven't found any WMDs in Iraq yet.

    And whats wrong with a US world police? US is the biggest and strongest democratic force in this world. It would be a hell without them.
     
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    #40
    Yet your proof is random statements with no merit or anything to back them up? Wow you sure have me on the run, don't even know why I'm here to tell you the truth as usually debates are meant to be challenging. Pathetic, omfg have you reread what you've stated?

    So you wont mind when the US decides that we don't like how your country runs things and decides to invade and overthrow your government? World police force = world rulers, you realy want the US to be the almighty rulers of the world? I live in the US and even I don't want that.

    Are you and your family originally from Scandinavia? Just a question.
     
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