Hey zman, Have you ever played chess and having basically won the game you have about 10 pieces left and you just kind-of chase the 1 last king around?
I wouldn't need to reclarify it if you could possibly comprehend the difference between the 2 views, not to mention that I have stated over and over again I am doing my best to use my logical side and not my patriotic side. You're failure to comprehend the difference between the 2 is my fault how exactly? You keep bringing up the thread as the answers to where it is definitely nuclear weapons do you not? Others might be reading the thread might they not? My entire dispute about the thread was invasion was it not? Again I'll make sure to post a disclaimer that invasion is not Gtechs view point in my responces to you, deal? Again speculation is totally different than fact, why do I even bother.
If I hadn't gone back to review the previous page, would have missed this. The forum software, once again, seems not able to keep up with the pace of the posts. My position is the same and I feel it needs no clarification or additional commentary. I support the diplomatic efforts of the IAEA (even with their track record of failures: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1816612,00.html) and the EU to work on a diplomatic solution. I do not believe they are working towards a diplomatic solution becuase they believe Iran would NOT (or has not) make nuclear weapons. This also, despite the IAEA's inability to even know Iran had a secret nuclear program in the first place. Diplomatic solutions should always be given first shot. I do not, and despite many references to the contrary, have not supported an invasion at this point. I believe a world (or majority) consensus is important, but I also believe in the end, should it come to it, no one other than the US, Israel, or GB would do anything more than send a few harsh letters (which seems to be the preferred way with dealing with threats anymore). There sure is a lot of back/forth reclarifications for not having much difference. As I see it, you demand absolute proof. I don't have to address your need there, as others are already working on the task at hand. As I see it, a mushroom cloud or outright admittal is about as close as "absolute proof" one would ever get. Since I don't believe the second option will materialize, and that waiting for option one is equivalent to "inaction is the best course of action," I believe doing something, rather than nothing, to confront a problem most of the world sees is necessary. No comment necessary.
Don't bother, according to Gtech, asking for proof and facts by itself is a proof that you are a terrorist.
Responce to Gtech. We realy do have pretty much the same opinion, I however am not worried to post information that disputes even what I believe in. All I am posting is information that takes the absolute certainty into a context that shows it is not an absolute certainty. That is the debate which is realy very amazing to say the least. Sorry if I'm willing to be informed even if it does not support my agenda.
groupie; Do you have anything to contribute to discussions except kissing Gtech ass and giving red rep to anyone who disagrees with him? I forgot, you have already posted before that these discussions are behind your knowledge and understanding.
I personally am not concerned with any presumed abilities to argue for, or against something. If you feel the need to argue with yourself by posting something that you agree on, but disagree with, that is your option. One could argue absolute uncertainty on just about anything. When I see the IAEA, the EU, the US and much of the rest of the world start arguing in such a manner over nuclear weapons, I'll be just as concerned.
Narcissism at its finest. Everyone is wrong but you right gworld? EDIT: For some reason I actually made it to the end of one of your posts. Groupie am I? lol, is that your new defense? If you disagree with gworld be careful because that makes you a "groupie".
Nope not at all where have I done such, please point to it. I am pointing to articles or have in previous pages of the thread which dispute the 'absolute fact, certainty, etc' of given information making it not an absolute certainty. Is this so hard to understand?
You didnt see them? They were right next to the post full of insults and charges of racism in the last thread we played this game in.
Wow yet again very far jumps. For example you take one party saying A is A, yet several other parties, articles, independant sources say that A can also be B and C. This makes A not an absolute certainty but a speculation, it could possibly be a correct speculation but not a cold hard fact at any comprehension level. I agree Iran is evil, I however have no problem pointing out yet again how you or others on the thread have jumped to nuclear weapons and how the argument can fail, there's a problem in this how exactly? Where is this list of the rest of the world, I'd actually like to read it as I haven't yet? As far as the EU and IAEA I'll get you those bookmarks later, they are on my notebook of which I'm not at. I realise you did not ask for them this time around, however I am just stating the point.
Isn't this the same rest of the world that would not agree with USA attacking Iraq? May be USA can again pay couple of small countries to make another coalition of unwilling for attacking Iran.
You can't read it. Because I said "most of the rest of the world." However, you can read that by going back umpteen pages when I first start in the debate and refer to an article I posted. Look forward to those as well.
As far as I know, there are no "oil for food" programs and "oil vouchers" to bribe with this time. But the UN could prove me wrong on that. We could always hope for your way. That no one do anything and that a mushroom cloud materializes. Nah, I'm going with the other option
Oil for food was peanuts compare to what American Administration and military stole after the occupation. May be that is the reason, they like to attack Iran, If they stole so much in Iraq, just imagine how much they can steal in Iran. Who is the biggest Thief?