Okay, I really need a straitforward answer...

Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by inXorable, Dec 20, 2005.

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    Can I use Kontera and AdSense on the same page? I am not taking about the Kontera ads that mimic the Google Ads, but rather the ads that take a word in your content and turn it into a hyperlink. You’ve all seen them, and they look nothing like AdSense ads. I was making good money with both AdSense and Kontera on the same page but I want to make sure that it was okay so I E-mailed Google and this was the response that I got…

    Okay, that’s fine; if that is the rule I’ll take them off. So I E-mailed Kontera to see what they had to say about that and this is the response that I got…

    Which I would have to agree with, but I don’t want to throw them back up if Google is going to drop me. If you read the TOS it says you cannot use ads that ‘mimic’ Google ads and the ads that I am talking about do not mimic them in anyway.

    I would just drop it at that being that Google said that I should not do it. However, in doing a little bit more research I see that there is a huge website out there that is using both AdSense and Kontera.

    http://www.joelcomm.com/what_i_discovered_this_weekend.html#more

    So now I am really confused, and I am hoping that you guys can give me a strait answer!
     
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  2. fryman

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    Google said no, what else do you want?
     
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  3. pwaring

    pwaring Well-Known Member

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    The only people who can give you a definitive straightforward answer about the Adsense terms of service are the people who run it at Google. If they've said you can't use both ads then you can't, simple as that. Just because someone else is getting away with it (possibly without Google's knowledge) it doesn't mean you can/should.
     
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    Sooner or later, it will catch up with you. It's best not to take the chance.
     
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  5. Jackson_Hu

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    I would say Google says no .This is very clear the answer .But if people try to take the risk to lose Google chance that is their decision .Sometimes people will not believe until they got banned by Google.But it will be too late then .
     
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  6. Skinny

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    I think it's pretty straightforward. Take 'em down or Google will suspend your account.

    Skinny
     
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  7. mcfox

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    Even without the email, I would have said "no". My interpretation of the Adsense TOS is that any other ad network serving contextually based ads, and those keyword generated ones are contextual; should not be mixed with Adsense on the same page.

    Hey, wouldn't it be really funny if Joel Comm got busted by Adsense for this? I know I shouldn't but the irony would be too funny. :D
     
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  8. LaCabra

    LaCabra Goats R Us

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    hehehe mcfox... Joel likes to push the envelope ... he used to have adsense on his adsense chat forum but now they are gone - buh byes. I don't think its Joel putting them on - its probably one of his little elfs that works for him, that probably hasn't read any of his ebooks or literature. He may be using contentcash on that example you provided.
     
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  9. Crusader

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    I couldn't agree more. I actually took this matter up with Joel in another thread. He pointed me to that post of his and the susequent thread in their forums. When I asked if he had any evidence that Google gave permission, he just didn't reply.

    Contextual isn't that difficult to comprehend, and those keyword ads are definitely contextual in nature.
     
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  10. jcomm

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    I actually wrote about this in my newsletter AND replied on my forums.

    If you use Kontera AdLinks, they ARE compatible with AdSense according to Google. See this thread for a discussion Michel Fortin has with the AdSense team on this issue.

    http://www.adsensechat.com/showthread.php?t=1198

    I removed AdSense from AdSenseChat.com because Google has put something in their TOS that says you can't have AdSense on sites about AdSense. No problem as the CTR on that site was abyssmal. Making much more with the other ads now.

    Merry Christmas,

    Joel
     
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  11. mcfox

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    What about the email from Google published by the author of this thread? It's rather specific:
     
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    That is what Google said to me, but Google has said different things to different people on the same subject...

    Those in conjunction with the fact that I see large webpages using both on the same page make me a little weary about what Google said to me. But whatever, I'm not going to do it, even though I could double my revenue unless Google says it is okay. I just wish there was less ambiguity in this matter.
     
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    Best bet it to play it safe. I believe that issue is that they both use contextual systems to provide the ad content. You may want to try and clarify what type of ads you will running on there with adsense, not just the program.

    Good luck
     
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    Plain text links shouldn't be a problem, but the way Kontera shows the links based on the content is contextual, that it takes the relevant keyword and then makes a text link of that for the appropriate ad.

    That's definitely against Google ToS as far as I'm concerned.
     
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    I would agree that it is contextual and therefore not compatible but Kontera assures me it is, therefore I have e-mailed google to see what they say. Below is the e-mail from Kontera:
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    Hello Javier,

    Thanks for your reply.

    Kontera’s ContentLinks™ are not looking to replace any of your current advertising, but rather work in conjunction with what you have (and this is one of our biggest advantages). I noticed that you utilize Google Adsense on your website, like many of our current publishers do. Actually over 90% of our publishers (more than 1,000 active these days) are using both Google’s and Kontera’s advertising channels and benefit from the revenues of both. Enclosed are a couple of examples of publishers we work with:

    www.linux.org
    www.autospies.com

    Nonetheless, if there are other site/s on which you wish to test Kontera please forward me the relevant urls and I’d be glad to move things forward.

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Kind regards,
     
    Buckenmeyer, Sep 21, 2006 IP