Oil/War/Liberals/Illegal Immigration

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Rick_Michael, Nov 7, 2006.

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    It's suggested our oil supply domestically could end as early as 2010. Obviously those numbers are not incredibly accurate, nor do they forecast the future. Although I'm quite certain if we don't open to drilling offshore or in Alaska, it's more likely we'll be fully dependent on foreign sources by 2015.

    This policy was put into place in the 70's by liberals. They slowly sealed all the offshore oil out, and took a policy that I believe is suicide. It is believed that there is 10-15 additional years of oil offshore.

    Now granted it would not highly effect the oil prices currently, it would enlongate the time necessary to change our infrastructure. We can't do such a huge change within 2015 (unless we can effectively price butanol). We'll essentially have to pray or hope our domestic oil policy changes.

    Which leads me to question why we went Iraq. Could it be we want to secure our economic future by retain friendly oil sources foreignly? Yes, we do get more oil from Canada and Mexico, then in the middle east...but technically that region has the majority of all oil and can easily effect the price. It's reasonable to believe that was one of the reasons, atleast in my opinion....given our circumstance.

    Could our rather lax immigration policy be the way it is due to our future reliance on Canada and Mexico to primarily keep us afloat? Are we caving in to Mexico's general needs, because we know that we will depend on them?

    I tend to think our oil policy has led us to a weaker position in this world. Now granted, I do believe we should have done things to start the process of alternative investment. We should have elminated subsides of oil, which in turn would have raised oil prices. Yes, this is not politically popular, but atleast back in the 70's we could have had the valueable time domestically to make the change over.

    Now we're in insecure position. We could go back to coal, but we still need oil for our plastics and pesticides. We could go to shale oil if we researched that enough. Things are getting very close to big choses and weighty times on America...thus the world. I'm worried this will lead to world conflict, and I'm not sure it's avoidable.

    Am I overly concerned or am I missing something?
     
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  2. Crazy_Rob

    Crazy_Rob I seen't it!

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    Is this just more obsessed hate mongering?

    You'll have a good shot in politics if you can blame gays for everything too. (along with white liberals and illegal immigrants). :p
     
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  3. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    Seriously, when have I ever showed any hate towards anyone based solely on race or something they don't have physical control of?

    The question is: are we in danger?

    White liberals....? What's that. I thought you either can be moderate/lean-right/right. Who could a be white liberal now-a-days and not have something against themself?

    Kerry doesn't count, he's part Frankenstein. lol.
     
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    MrMOJO Well-Known Member Affiliate Manager

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    well the good news is.. if the democraps win:

    muslims will walk around blowing themselves up in the streets of Nuevo York, killing hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens citizens that are walking by because there is no gas to drive the rest of their cousins over the border.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    Does this guy do anything else that start threads with 'liberal' in them? I mean come on, wow, talk about obsessed :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    Thanks for adding absolutely nothing to this, and you make an assertion that's worthless/untrue/rude. I make many thread, on many issue and thoughts. Not just about liberals...just in general.

    You have created your own mind-creation,because? a)you're asshole b)you've read something I wrote that offend you c)you like giving out unthrorough opinions d)your just posting a useless comment because you disagree with me.

    Last eight threads by me (with subject):

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=170312
    Immigration/representation
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=164463
    Obama considering run for presidency
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=173166
    Duncan hunter running for presidency
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=171211
    Three more years in Iraq?
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=172581
    Nicaraguans going backward
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=170866
    America vs China in savings
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=171510
    ACLU petition for Illegal immigrants
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=162966
    North Korea regrets test
     
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    guru-seo Peon

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    And if republicans stay in power (thank God they will not) they will blow them up and the rest of the people that don't agree with their agenda.
     
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    MattUK Notable Member

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    That's what people have been saying all along, depite GTech and Mia shouting them down all the time. I wonder when they'll wake up to it also.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    You're welcome, I can be alot ruder. I have read countless threads of yours with 'liberal this and liberal that' being the topic. Got anything besides WAA, WAA those dirty liberals?
     
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    Rick_Michael Peon

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    What's your investment in this? Why care? There are tons of people that say fuck 'liberals' or even fuck ' this religion', but I don't see you curbing your opinion in there.

    I dislike many things done by liberals and republicans, and I voice that sometime. But what the fuck does that matter!? I mean, seriously, if you have something against me (which you don't obviously have against others whom do it far more often), then how is this my problem?

    Go hate on someone else, you have nothing but a flawed character.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    LOL.. Rick flawed character and you respond with that garbage?

    BTW I was active in these political forums before you were a member here :rolleyes: I stopped taking part because of people like YOU.

    I have read one to many thread titles 'liberal this and that' by YOU.

    Such classics as

    Liberal Qualification: Hate Bush?
    Liberal Qualification: Being Ugly?

    One thread like that is enough to sicken me and take any respect away that you could have had coming to you, continued threads like that, well and with your latest responses goes directly to what kind of 'stand up' guy you trully are ;)


    BTW I am a REPUBLICAN and people like you hurt the party, people like you are why the party lost this time around!

    Keep it to the issues, not waa waa Liberal this, Liberal that. It cheapens you, personally makes it so I wouldn't take anything you say with any merit at all.
     
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  12. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    So two threads...ohhh, god. I voiced they were opinions, and not throrough.

    What in particular do you dislike about this thread? 'Quotes'


    Why should I care about your opinion? You could have been a good guy and actually disagreed with me in a more geniune fashion. Your goal seems to only fuck with me, rather than treat me with some respect. I would have been highly open to your opinion and views if you came to me in that fashion, and that's what I define as character.

    We're not perfect humans (NONE of us are), but you've never reached to me in a rational fashion. To just go after someone to destroy them, is not productive or respectable. If you wanted or want to disagree with me in a reasonable fashion, I leave that door open to you. I don't hate you, and I actually admit part of my response was improper....but I believe there's ego in the air for both of us. If you wish to let that diffuse, then please feel it's okay to PM me (which I prefer), because I think it would be better if we talk more personally.

    Perhaps you can detail what in particular you dislike about the thread.

    Even though it might not seem prevalent, I'm trying to adopt a different form of ethics...but it's not easy.

    Don't blame me. I'm not a republican. Never have been, never will be.To be frank, I don't give a fuck about the party. I think both parties would be better off left in history.

    I'm much more a libertarian. I'm a virtual split between Jefferson and Hamilton, while attempting to gain the ethos of Washington (which I'm finding hard in this political climate).

    What hurts the Republicans is simple: Too fast to act against Iraq, not fast enough to react domestically, bad pr, and too much corruption. Not some random opinion thread on DP.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    Rick I'm not even going to go through the crap you keep posting.

    2 threads I posted, I'm sure there are more that took me 2 seconds. 1 thread like that is to many..

    BTW I'm not the only one who sees it, I already started getting greens..

    You're digging your own hole, I'll let you continue to do so :)
     
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    This is the internet, chief, nothing more.

    I'd rather reason with you, but if you wish not to....I'm fine with that.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    What's to reason with? Keep to the issues, simple as that :rolleyes:
     
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    There is plenty of oil in the Gulf of Mexico too and many people say that there is at least 50 years of easily accessible oil available worldwide. Technological advancements have made oil easier to retrieve and improvements in technology will bring about more advancements.

    Remember, back in the 1970s it was said that India with its then 400 million people would not be able to sustain itself much longer. Today, with approximately 1.1 billion people India has taken advantage of technological advancements to be able to sustain its current population.
     
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    LOL. :D

    That is getting more and more difficult since it seems half of this kind of Republicans are closet gays.

    Question: In a political discussions, how do you know some one is gay?

    Answer: He is the Republican who protests the loudest against gay marriage. ;)
     
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    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    We should be moving toward reducing dependance on oil. It doesn't matter where we are buying our oil from now. There is so much oil being produced in the world and there is a world market for it. Demand/supply ultimately dictates price (along with politics). Reduce the demand for oil and prices go down.

    No matter what we do the demand for oil is skyrocketing in China and India. Their economies are growing and sucking oil out of world markets.

    Worried about middle eastern terrorists and crappy assed dangerous nations like Iran? Decrease the market price of oil dramatically and Iran will only have a teeny bit of money to spend supporting other terrorists, building nukes, etc. Want to decrease monies given to Islamic terrrorists decrease the amount of money flowing into Saudi Arabia and the thousands of members of the elite that fund terrorists.

    Most experienced business people say that the market price will only increase as demand increases around the world. More money into the middle east.

    Even as much opportunity as there is to find domestic oil or oil in Canada (supposedly there is tons in shale deposits in Alberta) it would be better to drive energy demand to other sources that don't fund the middle east.

    Long term alternative energy will take years to develop. Big deal they ought to push it like Kennedy pushed the space race when he became president. We became the leaders in Space and developed so many alternative sciences that became productive technologies used in thousands of applications.

    It should be the highest priority in my mind.
     
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    Don't you think there's something inherently unsafe about not having a domestic supply?

    I agree alternatives are a must....but it's matter of trust. I trust Canada. Although I was to go down the list of people I don't trust it would slowly go down like that (most to least): Mexico, Russia, Venezuela, the middle east.

    What if something happens in the middle east that causes a huge dip in their supply? A dirty nuke.


    Yes, I agree, but we need time...and a domestic oil supply ensures that time. Prices will go up, no matter how much we have here (for the most part).


    Yes, I am a bit. I'm sure some of the iranian leaders don't mind dying for their cause...and they're willing to take anyone down whose in their way. I hope I'm completely wrong, and they're reasonable enough to desire their own life, while respecting others..

    Absolutely. I just wish this was really looked at years ago. I'm hoping the democrats take this very seriously. I don't care who does something about it, I just want some geniunely good action done.

    It's not that easy. Canada could only do so much. I know a great deal about their oil infrastructure; seeing the flight industry revolves around it. Their growth rate is very good, but rising demands world-wide will make it very hard for us to be one of the few to partake in their oil.

    Russia has very restrictive oil investment laws, and so does Mexico. The only real market-driven oil countries are Canada and parts of Europe.

    That's my concern.

    I'm not sure he wouldn't have done that had he not had communists as the enemy. I don't think most Americans see the danger. There's a level of oblivion. People in the flight industry watch it like they're watching the very blood come out of them. Every small raise in the oil price, costs the industry billions.

    Even though I forsee more small planes taking over due to many factors, average oil consumption world-wide is going to kill margin, regardless. And while it's my own livelyhood on the line, it also will effect everyone here if the worst happens. See in my industry, we have something that's completely abnormal. We have mandatory retirements at 60, and our pilots mostly come from the vietnam era. So we're talking about a three-fold issue on us, and that equally applies to fixed-wing pilots. It may not seem important to many people, but once the flying stops, almost everything else will follow.

    Agreed.
     
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