Obama: US troop lost is "waste"

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by d16man, Feb 12, 2007.

  1. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #21
    Thank you for that. You try to do what you can. There is no manual for it.

    There is good and bad on both sides. And I have no doubt that both sides have good intentions. I only hope that the good intentions work, whatever the side they come from.

    I bid you good night.. Am off to the emergency room.. I have had what I thought was a tooth ache for some time now. Went to the dentist only to find that they thought it was a sinus infection. At this point, I have no idea what it is. With all the insurance I pay for out of pocket, I still have to wait days before I can see a doctor, so screw it. To the emergency room I go. I can take a lot of pain, but this, it is too much!
     
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  2. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    #22
    I thought vietnam was a very bad war to get into, but the comparison are moot.

    The only reason we lost Vietnam is because we didn't invade North Vietnam. Solely because we didn't want to piss China off....ie we didn't want to go to war with them. Congress lost it stomach.

    Iraq is hardly a military comparison to Vietnam. We had over 500k soldiers in Vietnam, and actual conflict with our enemy...whom peeked-over the border and came back every onces and a while. Losing that war was just a matter of losing face. Losing this war can spark a regional conflict.

    If that happens, the EU, China, and Japan are fucked. There goes a lot of their energy, and thus starts a bigger war.

    Iraq is a matter of death squads and people planting bombs. It's not a huge armed conflict by any means. It's Vietnam without a North Vietnam force.
     
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  3. moneyspeaks

    moneyspeaks Peon

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    #23
    its a waste of valuable human life for an unjust cause
     
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  4. ST12

    ST12 Active Member

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    #24
    This post deserves to be READ ON ALL TV NEWS CHANELS EVERY NIGHT! Till Bush and company gets it.


     
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  5. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #25
    I swear my dad said the same thing to me years ago on the subject, as a Marine Vietnam vet. You hit the nail on the head.
     
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  6. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #26
    Get that tooth fixed Jeremy! I know the pain you are going through, happend to me back in 1996. Just the thought of what you are going through sends shivers down my spine.
     
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  7. d16man

    d16man Well-Known Member

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    #27
    After reading all of AGS posts in this thread....guess what....he said "the world is not safer" several times...that "their lives were wasted"...but never a bad word for a terrorist....gotten love em, don't you AGS??
     
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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #28
    I'm waiting for my wife to get home from work. I'm so frazzeled, I cannot think, concentrate, much less drive, and I have the kid too. She's gonna take me once she get here. It is near impossible too type. OUCH!
     
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  9. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    #29
    I've already said that I dislike terrorists as much as the next man, I am trying to point out to people like you that the current illegal invasion of Iraq has made the world a more dangerous place.

    I'm on your side when it comes to terrorists mate, contrary to what your father GTech might tell you. :)
     
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  10. Rick_Michael

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    #30
    So out of curiousity, when is the last time you truely believe they have committed an act of terrorism?

    Please no Israel of American references...I'm just looking for an event of terrorism that you actually believe happened....because I honestly don't remember you annointing one as real (or not done by the 'Illuminati').
     
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  11. AGS

    AGS Notable Member

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    #31
    I'm not 100% sure but I think that the 11 July 2006 Mumbai train bombings could have been a legitimate terrorist bombing.

    It's hard to tell with these Illuminati fucks though but that would be my answer sir.
     
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    #32
    I agree with you 100% there, its despicable the references people make between Osama and Obama. It actually makes light of the 9/11 attacks, by comparing the mastermind of those to Barack Obama.
     
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  13. Rick_Michael

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    #33
    Thanks for the answer.

    Kind-of hard to believe that the 'Illuminati' is so smart that you can't decipher in some cases and then in other cases it's so clear.
     
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    #34
    Hello fellow bay area person...

    You have to realize AGS doesn't think Osama did anything in 9/11. Perhaps he thinks he was just a PR man for the Illuminati...but nevertheless he doesn't believe it was wholly a product of muslim extremists.
     
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    AGS Notable Member

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    #35
    Some are difficult to call Rick. :(

    The Illuminati is an organisation with its fingers in many many pies.
    They plan years (even decades) in advance.
    They want a one world government, currency and army.
    Things are going very much to plan, especially with the big changes coming up in your country with the virtual merger of 3 enourmous countrys (USA, Canada and Mexico.)

    The first that people like GTech will know about it is when he is told the US dollar no longer exists and he's using got to use the AMERO and there are a couple of thousand Mexicans in his local bar. The giant NAFTA Super Highway will cut a swath through the whole of your country too, destroying everything in its wake.

    This will not happen overnight but it will happen very soon, we already have the Euro in the majority of Europe, you peeps are just catching up. :D
     
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  16. Rick_Michael

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    #36
    I just don't think the same way as you. Yes, I do think America and Europe...are going in the wrong direction. Every since the 60's it's been bad in terms of the growth of government.

    Although my assessment of what's driving this is a bit different. In America, it was a lopsided congress, where the dems just pushed every bit of weird legislation they could in 65. And since they had a 'yes' man...LBJ, it literally changed the fiscal map of our government. And has led to internal 'wars' among interest groups.

    The democratic process (by Americans) without an outer perception of the Constitution has led to the America I know now. I can't entirely speak for the EU, but somethings got to be real bad if they politically legitamize socialists among their ranks. France is fucked...in some many different ways. Even without immigration problems it has, it's institutions are locked in place by overextending labor laws.

    And while I do view interest groups as dangerous many ways, I do not think there is ONE centralized group that pulls all the strings. I think several people try for that position. I think it's combination of a deteriorate culture (whom thinks all things are equal), and groups that are just seeking a limited view of their own self-interest.

    I'm not into that whole Illuminati view. I've met several freemasons, and the exagerations of that word [illluminati] has been overly expressed. I'm sure there are people that join groups like such to maintain a network of influencial people, but I don't see ONE group as being the end-all-be-all of this mess.
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    In America, I honestly think if we taught the Constitution (thoroughly) or had a more open school system...we wouldn't be heading in this direction.
     
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  17. LinkSales

    LinkSales Active Member

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    #37
    Their lives were wasted. They could have been educators, doctors, aid workers but rather chose a career of killing and hatred.
     
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    #38
    I don't agree with you that their lives were wasted because they chose to be service people. I find no finer example of selflessness than laying one's life on the line in defense of a nation - to be willing to die for people one doesn't know - for you, and for me. This is noble, in my ethos.

    In my opinion, their lives were wasted because they were taken for granted over a cause of action that was the wrong one to take, ill conceived and shortsighted.
     
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  19. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #39
    its all they got though, that and saying he is a secret muslim
     
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  20. bigdoug

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    #40
    This is one of the most thoughtful posts I have ever read. Balanced, reasonable, thought provoking and humble. What a post!

    I know we all can disagree from time to time, but it seems that all Americans do anymore is yell at each other. Name-calling starts as soon as positions on issues are forefront.

    I like to kid a lot with you friends here on the board. And most of you know when I am being facetious, just trying to stir the pot (like gay issues).

    But lately, I too have been giving a lot of thought to issues we face. My family is very important to me, as is their future.

    For example: In the last 3 months I have been doing some serious study of our monetary system and how it affects world security. Other issues, such as Constitutional degradation and loss of American rights in our current age.

    Here is some more:

    1) Anger in today’s youth?
    2) Loss of the middle class
    3) Inflation
    4) Media control
    5) Unfair Taxis
    6) Provocation and proposals for a One World Government
    7) Religious responsibility in world affairs
    8) Major sickness (growing at an astronomical rate)
    9) Loss of the American farmer
    10) Laws, Laws, and Laws (why America has over 1,000,000 laws and is growing?)

    And the list goes on…

    I really do miss my MTV, but I took the blue pill and for that I spend all my time researching.

    I would just like to thank all of you here for at least challenging me to think about an issue in a way I might have not. Our modern media is so controlled that free thinking is no longer possible to the one who makes decisions solely by being exposed to it.

    D
     
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