Obama launches site about McCain's Keating Five involvement

Even as recently as the 2000 campaign, when McCain ran against Bush. Bush himself criticized McCain for accepting money for his campaign from companies that have legislation pending in front of his committee. If you all remember, the issue back then was campaign reform.
Bush said that what McCain was doing was "Not technically illegal, but should certainly be looked at".
Bush also called McCain the ultimate Washington insider.

Flash forward to today, McCain has 30 lobbyist working in high positions in his campaign, and 160 lobbyist working for his campaign overall.

 

I lot of people claim it's wrong that Obama brought this up. I think its fair game. I want to know McCain's involvement . I want to know Obama's involvement with people like Aeyers also. It is much better to have everything out in the open now than after they are elected.

 

I agree. I think Ayers and Rev. Wrong are fair game. I just don't like how the Ayers connection being (mis)represented and turned into Obama "paling around with terrorists". I think they just decided to latch onto the Ayers relationship(which there doesn't seem to have been much of one) so they could use the words Obama and terrorist in the same sentence.
Rev. Wrong, on the other hand, is a whole different story. You don't have to reach much to use him to make Obama look bad. There's video of him screaming god damn America and Obama was close to the man for many years! If I were going to run a negative campaign I'd be running ads with that video. But I guess Rev. Wrong is old news and they don't think it would get much of a reaction.

 

I hate to see the negative side also, but I would have never started a negative campaign if i had something like the Keating 5 in my past, especially given the nature of the failure and it's exact similarities to what is happening now, and McCains close relationship with the very same kinds of people. Bad move on his part.

I wish both sides had not started this, but McCain, (and of course I am biased) seems to be going for a shock value. That is only effective with people looking for a reason, or those who don't know anything but what they are fed 30 secs at a time.

Obama has no choice but to show that he is not a push over, and McCain has given his 20 years of stuff to work with.

Both are wrong, and it doesn't matter who drew first blood, but McCain has waaaayyy more to lose in a battle of who is bad for the economy, which will be the lead story well past the election.

I'm afraid there is not enough 9/11 fear, 7 years after the fact, to save him. Bush got all the mileage out of that one.

JMO

 

My apologies Harold. I assumed that you of all people might understand the implications of a blanket generalization given your own misunderstanding of the humor involved in comic retorts.

My guess is I hurt your feelings. For that, I apologize.

I really should concentrate on quoting actually statements, rather than responding to a post in its entirety. I have a habit of doing that.

I was referring to the web site when I inferred a certain level of "intelligence". Not necessarily you are your post.

Who knows, maybe the generalization, even if directed at a web site is way too insulting for the masses.

I'm like, really, really sorry if I insulted anyone else that takes offense to a generalization of the intelligence or lack there of of anyone that might support or not support a particular political candidate.

I am forever at the mercy of the court of popular opinion.

Nice to see you were not banned for reiterating my generalization.

 

nice to see you back mia. it seems that these guys are too depressed to post anything in support of mac

 

Do you think the keating involvement is a non issue? Obama seems to be back to the same catch phrases.

 

I support and respect, as well as appreciate McCain's military service greatly.

I've long been a Huckabee Fan. And my support in 2000 was behind Alan Keyes originally.

What I do not support is the disingenuous nature of a campaign that seeks to impress upon the American people half truths. That, so far, is what I have seen of the Obama campaign.

Both sides will distort facts, I do not disagree with that assertion. However, only one - in my own personal experience, as sought to continually bash, lie, and otherwise re-write reality, including inferring a racial heritage that is only partially part and parcel to their make up.

Ask yourself one question. If McCain looked black, would he be further ahead right now? Or would he be shit on, daily for being a black republican?

Hillary was applauded for her run as a women by many, and Ferraro for those of us that can remember was glorified for running as a women on a certain VP ticket.

Palin? Shit on. If she were a democrat, would the same be true? What if she were half black like Barrack Hussein, female, and a democrat? Would the same be true?

In recent weeks, I myself have been shit on, literally; by a party that seeks to attack, rather than offer solutions to problems.

It's rather difficult for most to see this when they are either not objective, have blinders on, or are just completely ignorant to the world around them.

I applaud the democrats for finally uniting and coming together after years of disorganization and infighting. I just disagree with the way they have used fear, hate, and attacks to unite. Too me that reaffirms my contention that they all share one common goal, which is to take from those that have, and give to those that have not. More often than not, that includes themselves.

It's even sadder that race has become the central issue for which the democratic party has used to propel itself to the top. When you whore yourself out like that to get somewhere, all you find in the end is that while you may have risen in popularity, you've done so at the cost of your own self respect and integrity.

I guess I am where I am, because I have too much self respect to sacrifice who I am to be popular.

 

I think the fact that Palin was shit on and Hilary was not says more about the fact that people think she's an idiot having only seen that Kouric interview than anything else.

That or, dare I say it, it's because she's a Republican and you guys have screwed up so much that people are finally realizing your vision for the country is not so great?

Furthermore I just don't understand why you're not an independent MIA...... Because quite literally EVERY allegation you laid upon the Democrats' doorstep can be laid at the Republicans as well. With recent evidence from this very campaign even.

 

The reality is, these "allegations" lie with those that tout them. Let's not forget who's been in charge of both houses of congress for the last few years.

That is, if we are pointing fingers.

As for your "independent" comment, that's why I am conservative. I'm an independent thinker. I don't need a union, or popular click telling me how to think.

You can't get much more independent than that.

 

So the idea that all those allegations on both sides lie with the people who tout them on both sides doesn't bother you? Especially since they are laid against both sides. Including the side that you're on. You know, your "click".

Not pointing fingers just pointing out that you seemed proud of your independence and I wondered why you weren't very independent of the Republicans.

 

Its a difference between exaggeration and lies I am questioning.

 

I don't agree with the negative side of either campaign, however, the constant insinuation that Democrats want to take money out of people's pockets to give to other people is so ridiculous I can't belive no one understands how stupid it is.

How can you give a tax break to people who do not work ? You can't. They don't pay taxes, therefore no change in what they pay.

Why are so many people who are struggling to keep food on the table remain convinced that Democrats want to help people other than them, when they are the ones that Democrats are fighting for?

Why can McCain still convince people that less Government and Corp tax breaks are still a viable way to run the economy when we just did it for 8 years, yet are still bailing the very same companies who got the breaks out., deregulation (less government) has allowed Wall Street to run amuck and collapse age old companies..unemployment is high, and jobs have still gone over seas ?

Why do so many people still keep making this race about race ? This is a race of economics. If you are rich, I can see why you would want corporate tax breaks, but if you are not, why would you want your boss to get it, while you are stuck bailing out other companies who got the breaks last year?


When do you get yours if you keep voting against the people who want to end that ?

How come when a white person endorses a white candidate, no press, but when Obama gets an endorsement from someone black like Colin Powell...it's because he is black ?...how insulting and racists.

These are things that I wonder when I talk to friends who are now struggling, yet still want to keep drinking the Kool Aid that just screwed them, and the rest of us over.

 

It's not an insinuation. Its a statement of fact. "Spread the Wealth Around" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA&feature=related

It happens. In fact, 1/3 of the US population does not even pay tax.

It even happens with people that do pay tax. There are some people that have so many deductions, they actually end up getting back more than they paid in. I know of at least two middle class families that have routinely received more in tax returns then they paid in income tax.


Again, its not an insinuation, but a statement of fact.

Democrats are fighting for themselves, and no one else. They are not concerned with the little guy. If they were, they would have done something about the over taxing, and fleecing of their lives, income and direction rather than "spreading wealth around".

Because, it generates more revenue than taxing does. The last 8 years were pretty good as far as growth goes. Better than the previous 8 years in fact. Sadly the mistakes, and corruption from the previous 8 years has come back to bite the current 8 years.

I saw no one complaining when they were making hoards of money, or living high on the hog. I did however see a lot of liberal democrats wishing for doom and gloom. They go what they wanted by simply manipulating the banking industry in a futile attempt to spread the wealth around. Instead, people like Maxine Waters and Barney Frank continued to perpetuate fraud by helping their friends like Raines at Fannie and Freddie bilk the American tax payer of billions by lending money to people they knew would never pay it back.

But that's Bush's fault right?

There is only one "people" making this about race. That's Barrack Obama. It started with his diversionary speech about race made after he was expected to go on tv and repute the comments made by his mentor, buddy and friend, Reverend Wright. Instead he made a race hate speech.

I'll tell you exactly why I want a corporate tax cut. Not because I am rich, but because my company can hire at least 4 more full time people, and expand, if we get a tax break. That equates to four more people earning a living and paying taxes. That equates to four more people buying goods and services and paying taxes on those goods and services. That equates to four more people bringing in revenue to the federal government. That equates to four more people helping me build my business so that we make more money, hire more people and pay MORE TAXES...

That's how you spread wealth around my friend. Not by taking, but by giving. Let me keep more of my money and I will spend it wisely, create jobs, and add even more tax revenue to the federal, local and state governments with that job creation.

Vote Republican. It's that simple.

Probably the same reason behind Powels motivation for voting for Barrack in the first place. Probably the same reason that everyone calls a half white man, "African American". Hell, if I were black, I'd be taking offence to the claims being made. They're inaccurate and disingenious at best.

If Barrack Obama where a with mulado, would he see the same fan fair? I doubt it. Alan Keyes (whom I supported in 2000) did not. In fact the media did not give him any credit, support, or fan fair at all.

Those friends that are struggling woudld not be struggling if those of us that own corporations get tax cuts. Think about that for a while.

 

Hmm - where to start. Might it be the the racists who ascribe Powell's considered endorsement to "race?" That qualify for "making it about race?"

Classic Mia - from a long time ago, through now; Obama's "Race Hate Speech".

The only hate I see on display here comes from the racism of a few members - members who would characterize Obama's speech as "race hate;" who would formerly support Powell as a man of integrity, gravitas, intelligence, so long as he was part of the Bush administration's plans, who now leap to scornful disdain for the man and ascribe his reasoned endorsement to a disgusting, "well, they're both black."

Thankfully, I'm hopeful the national discourse of tomorrow will be waking from such a slumbering ignorance.

Edit: I see that Mia is busy reporting the post. I stand by my thoughts.