Judicial activism is perhaps the liberals best tool in subverting our Democracy. There is a survey being done as we speak by our armed forces to determine the impact to combat readiness of gays openly serving in the military. A report to congress is expected in the next couple months. As Corwin pointed out, it has been pretty widely leaked that the survey will find little to no impact with some changes put in place. I'm still in favor of letting the Army complete its survey rather than letting some wanker of a Judge telling the military how to do it's job. All that said, I'm a fan of Israel's military policy. I think EVERY LAST CITIZEN(male, female, liberal, conservative, gay, straight) of the United States should have to serve at least two years in the armed forces, and keep their assault rifle when they graduate. It would help with anti-american sentiment amongst our own population, and likely cut down the population in our prisons. And yes, English is the official language of the US Military.
The ruling of the court gives deference to the Constitution over the military as is appropriate, the Administration has given deference and time to the military to change the policy themselves counter to the support the gays gave to the Administration.
Ya Helvetii the world will be a sweet place whit a crumbling US military . Spoken like a true military officer and ex-internal security division . I'm lacking all the info ATM but AFAIK don't ask don't tell has been completely repelled . I agree on the part whit every last citizen . But mixed units would truly be a disaster. We can't have hugs kisses & sex during combat mission . The hard part is that a gay guy can say his normal and get into a unit and freak out when you least expect it . If a single squad is annihilated the shock wave from it's destruction triggers a chain reaction . Anyway I got to run for the moment . I'll post some more on the subject tomorrow . @ Breeze Wood :Not even God understands what in the world you're posting .
@ApocolypseXL, this isn't about whether you think it is right or wrong, or even your opinion. The issue is how can the Federal government legally prohibit American citizens who are gay from serving in the military? cite me a law, or something from the Constitution or the UCMC. Oh, I don't think you're going to have anyone stepping in front of a bullet for the simple reason that I don't think humans have quite developed the eyesight to see a bullet coming. Even in that case, don't solders already push their fellow soldiers out of harm's way? See, it's your lack of a practical understanding that betrays your lack of a real understanding of the issue.
The United States armed forces have been under civilian control at least since the ratification of the Constitution. "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States;" and "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution" seem to apply. Mixed gender armies are quite common, as are units of mixed sexual preferences. Actually, the #1 reason unit members do commit heroic acts is because of (platonic) love for their fellow soldiers. I recommend you read Military Men by Ward Just. Or, as Thomas Jefferson would say... "The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working under ground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric." The military is against this idea, because they don't want to deal with millions of sniveling brats. But... many Democrats are for it, because they believe that the people should be taught that they are property of the government. Read Military Draft for some references.
How do you know someone is gay ? There is no gay test . But one you identify them you send them home simple as that . The army is a state within a state and no civilian has the right to command over them . Ya it's my lack of practical understanding not the fact that soldier put their feeling before the order of the superiors . Or the fact that resentment can cause stupid orders . The army is a state whiting a state . The soldiers are not normal citizens for starters they don't have the right to vote or to be part of any political organization . This is been the way it works for hundreds of years . Mixed gender armies not mixed gender units . Private John is never gonna fight in the same squad whit private Jane . Ya Will all the heroic acts committed by troops in every conflict where due to gay love . "He sucked my dick last night so I'll take a bullet for him" . That's how the soldiers think . Forget the Esprit de corps or the brotherhood that forms between the members of a unit the whole reason why al those medals for bravery where given out was because one guy fuked another guy in the ass .
@ApocalypseXL, there is much ignorance in your last post. Please allow me to gleefully point out the most obvious from just one paragraph.: American Soldiers are normal citizens (what is an ABNORMAL citizen?). American Soldiers have the right to vote. American Solders have the right to be part of any political organization they choose. This is the way it has been for over 200 years. That is four - count 'em, FOUR - lies in one sentence. The rest of your post isn't much better. Your shovel must feel very heavy. But I'm really curious, @ApocalypseXL, as to how you could possibly think that American soldiers don't have the right to vote? Seriously?
This already happens in the Israeli army. The people who seem to be the most pissed off about it there are the highly religious. Other than that, it seems to work pretty well. http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/myths.html
OK - mea culpa - I was unaware that in the US soldiers can vote . In some countries soldiers don't have the right to vote simply because their foremost directive is not the constitution but their superiors order . It's sort of a failsafe mechanism in case the people get fooled by another Hitler or something like that . As for political appartenance for the US military have a look at the Federal Law (Titles 10, 2, and 18, United States Code), Department of Defense (DOD) the situation is the same in a lot of countries . Sometimes this extends to the police as well . You don't want a party wielding the full force of the military or every police man in a town "helping out" whit a reelection . I was considering this website and interesting reading until I looked at the source . A ex-milirary woman talking highly about other army women in a book that calls for a larger involvement of women in the military . I'm all for equality . But enforcing equality when it doesn't exist it's pure liberal stupidity (or just stupidity) . In case we forgot here are some differences again : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_humans All citizen of a nation have the duty to serve the army in case of war . We however have the luxury of peace so our military should be the best of the best . A lot of women in the military today have got their jobs in place that where specifically reserved for women .
There are many types of love other than sexual attraction like brotherly love, sisterly love(?) which may force a private to take a bullet meant for someone else. If a woman meets the requirements including benchmark fitness level for military service, theres no reason why they should be allowed to take part in combat operations even with males. Same for homosexuals.If thats your only argument then its pretty weak sorry. @Obamanation: Forced military conscription? Really? If my country forces me to waste 2 years of my life in such a way then I'd like the majority, end up hating it and looking to immigrate at the earliest rather than become "more patriotic". Anyways it seems that government telling big corps to reduce their profits so that the masses can afford basic healthcare is evil and disgusting (because you own a business?) but it forcing young kids out of their homes and subjecting them to 2 years of harsh useless training against their will which might have a serious negative effect on their life and career is a great thing? Do you run a military equipment or related business? Seriously whats wrong with you these days? You are starting to loose all credibility now.
Actually, there is. You hook the subject up to a bunch of sensors and show them various forms of pornography. It's not polite, but it works. The U.S. Constitution clearly places the armed forces under civilian control. The U.S. Army has mixed gender units, as do many other armed forces. I have no idea what you think you're responding to. I think you need to re-read my post. Do you not know what "platonic" means?
The arguments are available in tons , the problem is relaying them to the people that don't really understand what a combat unit is all about . How can I put this ... ? Ever shot someone Helvetii ? Ever had to storm a place and beat the crap out of someone there ? You see in order to be effective in a combat scenario the human mind has to have it's full focus on he trigger . If you've watched "The Last Samurai" the best ways to sum this up is "too many mind" gets you killed "no ming , weapon is mind" is what give you that nanosecond in which you achieve victory . Or else even the slightest slip will get you killed and unlike a game there is no respawn . But unless you're a half wit you're gonna have to think even in a combat scenario . Orders are given , the battle field changes every seconds and one single slip of one soldier can doom his unit or even more . Today's combat motto is "Bring everyone home" or "No man left behind" . One casualty can trigger a chain reaction that can loose an entire war . Never in history has one life weight so much on a nation . So we must make sure our troops are the best of the best . To achieve that the military uses brutal discipline , grueling & humiliating training , strict conditioning and the best tech they can get . The rules are pretty simple no disobeying , no sex , no personal feelings except the will to carry out the order . Soldier are less of a human socially & emotionally just so they can get the job one . Even the slightest error in this process and you get Black Hack down all over again . One error in the chain of command back then lead to 20+ ship and 400+ men being held hostage by the Somali pirates . The main reason why you're able to extort thousands of dollars from Google or why I'm getting 500 $ grand per month from Draper alone is because the best of the best exist to deter nutjobs like China or the USSR from invading the world and tearing it to little totalitarian pieces . @Mia : Civilians whit guns will be a wet hankie when faces whit a organized and supplied force . Hitler had the brutal SS that did a lot of the dirty work .
I've hired a fair number of people in my life, more than half of them were ex-military. To the last one, the ex-military guys were better employees and had their shit squared away. You will find the idea that the military has a negative effect on their life to be a hard sell with me. Lets also not forget that not all military folks work in a combat capacity. Besides, what could be better than a little discipline in your life, traveling to far off and foreign lands, meeting new and interesting people, and learning how to kill them? Well thats good news. I thought I had lost all credibility long ago!
My experience is quite similar, but I believe that's because we don't have a draft. The men and women who choose military service just tend to be better people.
The down side to the military is a known and yet seldom appreciated topic, particularly the politicians who employ their services. 1.75 billion "in Partnership" is what VA allots for homeless veterans and their care......lets not cuddle them.