not being funny but i could leave home now and be back in an hour with a working gun and i live in scotland its not that hard to achieve so how would you stop me ! like everything else wheres theres a market people will be there supplying you get rid of one another one will take his place
And for the sake of argument, you were caught with that gun, knowing you were subject to the death penalty, we shot you, that's one gun off the street problem solved. Next? We license all armories to produce the weapons needed to regulate it. All gun shops & regular sales are outlawed. Next?
what i was saying if i wanted to use it i could be shooting your ass in less than an hour so how would you stop me then ? oh and who needs a license its impossible to stop no matter how many gun runners you take off the street more will replace them look at what china does with drug traffickers but it srtill happens people still do it all that does is makes people have nothing to lose so they use the gun sorry your arguement is flawed
everybody carrying guns is not exactly a solution...its naive to think that a robber will enter a bank and every customer and employee with pull out a gun, this is just not reality...only a small percent of the population would actually carry a gun- the scared bunnies- and they are not exactly clint eastwood....carrying a gun is one thing, but actually risking your life to fire at somebody is another....look at the USA it has the highest gun death rate in the world, americans off each other like no other country in the world, maybe some war torn region has more gun deaths, but its obvious that guns dont bring peace...they just give balls to cowards and lunatics... a better solution would be strict penalties for people who carry guns like 10-15 years hard labor on the spot, no trial no delay, and police armed to the tooth...for home protection maybe a shotgun with them salt cartridges or massive rubber bullets...but definitely nothing you can conceal or kill with...when there is no ammo to be had and no guns to buy the gun deaths will be a thing of the past...
yeh unfortunatly theres always going to be that criminal element who see easy money and will supply plenty of criminals risk death and imprisonment every day that just goes with the territory they live in,here in scotland we just toughened up laws for carrying knives and i can tell you its not made a blind bit of difference albeit we aint shooting them maybe we should
as someone said earlier if you really wanted you can build your own weapon and ammo so even if we successfully took guns off our streets people intent on this type of thing could just build one hopefully it would blow up in thier face but still the knowledge is easily attainable
just read an ebook 2083_-_A_European_Declaration_of_Independence this is a must read for anyone here interested its very long but shows just whats out there inciting this behaviour
Well i wouldn't, but the person behind me would. That's how any police force works. It may cause anarchy for a while or may bring lasting peace, in the end there would be no guns. And the current setup isn't? I can shoot you knowing I will likely get away with it. Why not?
In short he was a right wing hardcore Christian fundamentalist that was so angry at the decline of Christianity and the growing Muslim population in Europe, he went on a killing spree to get attention to his propaganda e-books and videos, he wanted attention, and I don't think he should get any. He reminds me of the German catholic priest that burned himself to death because of the spread of Islam, they always in search of attention and they use violence or some strange way to get it. It's sad that people are falling in his traps, and are now reading his propaganda material, he has indeed succeeded.
this does not add anything to your previous comments arming police means criminals in turn arm themselves when confronted this will result in a shootout they have nothing to lose if they know they are going to be shot this also puts innocent memebrs of the public in danger - is that ok with you ? oh and as the guns on the streets declined a new breed of criminal would evolve more dangerous than before richer than before because you just made it so every gun is so valuable and those crimianls are now virtually untouchable in every era the criminal has been known to be one step ahead of the law enforcers so why would this suddenly change factories would spring up making guns you just made a mass market for it more people who didnt want a gun before would want one (human beings are led by what we cant have -WE WANT IT) through time the common man would feel he has to have one in Order to protect himself WE WOULD END UP IN THE SAME PLACE BUT ONLY IN A MORE DANGEROUS ENVIROMENT BECAUSE HEY WE DONT KNOW WHO HAS A GUN ANYMORE. THERE IS NO SOLUTION THATS CLEAR CUT
going for extreme measures why not instead of removing guns remove all religion without religion we would have no extremists blowing us up anyone caught practising any religion is shot dead just like you said with the guns we do that with religions albeit many more practice religion than carry a gun but more religous exteremists use bombs than anyone else now is this crazy yes just as crazy as banning guns
That's a fair argument but the rest didn't make sense. If you're not allowed a gun then they don't go up in price. The second you're seen with it you're arrested. Most people would avoid them and the market would be minimal. at all times most would be safe in the knowledge the argument you're about to have won't end in a gunfight. I've heard the argument only criminals will have guns but that's not true. Anyone, including a criminal, seen with a gun would be subject to the full force of the law. Of which you just gave me a good reason not to make death the punishment.
Thoughts and actions are two different things. I have thought we put the Christians in one country and the Muslims in the other but each will be so paranoid of the others that even that won't help. Same if we put all the crims in the middle of the desert & let them make their own town where they can fend for themselves and live in anarchy. Wouldn't be long before the supposed good guys will be bombing the now ex-crims because the crims might team up against them...... fixing the world is a big job but it starts with ending the violence.
if you close down all gun shops and make it so guns are illegal you open the doors up for the black market to flourish in the sales of guns at exaggerated prices further putting money into terrorists pockets to then fund thier campaigns of terror saying that a person will be punished or even executed for owning a gun does not stop people it never has and never will. this will not make it any harder to get your hands on one only more dangerous some people have agendas where the risk of being caught does not outweigh the gains they make if not caught. why not put every religion together with all the criminals serving time for terror acts on one island and nuke it. human race is naturally suspicous and when it feels threatened it responds with violence thats human nature if aliens were to land right now we would attack its something we dont understand therefore feel threatened we would attack then ask questions later violence within the human race can never be eradicted unfortunatly it will always be there in some form anyone wishing to feel what terror is should try a walk through southhall middlesex on a sat or sun midday,from being spat at to being shoudered and growled at it was one of the most scary times in my life never have i felt like an outsider in my own country i would have loved to have had a gun with me that day at least i would not have been so terrified of my safety ,as it was i was bruised on the chest and shoulder and just had to prey that the person who spat at me didnt have anything contagious.what did i do wrong nothing apart from walk through a place where my kind where not welcome whats my kind an average white guy maybe something had happened the night or day before but that didnt warrant the abuse i recieved i am not racist but here lies a problem after this i could have been what about others that day they may have some hatred now that was purely bred from experiences like this. a lot of people need to take a step back and actually look at whats happening in the world today its gone crazy
It's their country too, they were born there just like you was, just because you are white does not mean you are somehow more British than they are. Mostly Asian people live in Southall and they too face discrimination and violence when they step outside their areas, so it's not just white people that face discrimination. You are also dreaming if you think that removing religions means the end of violence, we will find something else to fight over, like race, money, land, leadership etc.
its also my country i was born here i dont go around shouting racial slurs of any kind and dont have any issues so i dont expect to singled out like that too much too ask then theres something wrong somewhere but i am not the one that has to answer that. Yes mostly asian people do live in southall and most are the nicest people you will ever meet i worked just down the road thats why i was there and i also worked with some others from the area and had some good times but unfortunatly like every nationality/religion/area whatever wherever there is an element that like to create trouble and breed violence this will always be the case whether they are christian or whatever believe me i have come across some christians who scared the life out me. so whats the answer we fear to step outside the door so the only way to fight back is in this way which in turn justifies the slurs which each side say. not the best action to take under any circumstances violence breeds violence,they say ignorance is bliss but really its so dangerous its unbelievable you need to read through my post again i never mentioned anything about removing religion to end all violence there will always be violence within the human race we just use things as excuses. being white does not make me anymore british its called flipping the coin i was on the recieving end that day and i wouldnt wish that on anyone the reason being is because of the way our society is breeding hatred and violence on every corner on both sides of the coin. do you understand here violence is never going away neither is the hatred thats on all sides us human beings thrive on it human nature at its worst no matter where you are born or what your religion is you are bottom line a human being
I was just saying, everyone gets victimized. Okay, I then misunderstood when you said "without religion we would have no extremists blowing us up ", I must have read it out of context, thanks for the clarification.
one point i tried to make but was not so clear is it could have been easy after that day for me to become a racist every time someone incites this type of behaviour they are encouraging the hatred whichever side it comes from it does not matter as it will eventually lead to an escalation on both sides. uk,usa etc class themselves as the civilised world why ? because we have running water and some other poorer countries dont because we have a class system and we all know our place etc you get the idea i just cant be bothered writing anymore but what or who says that these countries know whats best when you start talking dictatorships and oppressed then are these countries not dictating how the other half should live you will obey us stop doing that oh you say no then we are coming with our bombs to make you see our way. throughout history our so called leaders have used conflict to get the results they want seriously can you see the people being any different its what we know and what we see that affects our actions
This Norwegian dude was a sick pup. I feel for the families of those who died. Meanwhile, Israel since you want to inject Islam into this thread....this is why people hate Islam: http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2011..._8_year_old_afghan_boy_to_get_at_cop_dad.html Since the Islamic world generally says nothing or does nothing as they kill one another and kill non Muslims people have a miserable time with them. If you want the rest of the world to stop distrusting and hating Muslims take a leading step to speak out against Muslim violence against other people, Islamic and not Islamic. Condemn it every time. Join the human race.
I agree. To be honest, I was waiting for the day something like this would happen. Because you know it doesn't matter if you're a Muslim or King Kong himself going around killing people, what goes around comes around. And one day someone will come back and kill a load of your people, because retaliation is just human nature.