NON-BIBLICAL Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ

Sure : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herodotus

 

Do you have something more reliable? LINK

Nevermind... I got one: LINK

Yeah, he did not live during the time Christ was here. He lived before.. see the other post.

 

It is not about the birth of Jesus.. it about the time the sun stood still. Here it is again :

 

The chinese, greeks, south americans and most of the arab nations certainly wouldn't have thought it was. They were more than capable of predicting eclipses by this point. I'm afraid it's only the area directly around where your death cult was created that were scientifically illiterate dirt dwellers. The rest of the world were quite smart. And even if they couldn't predict it, they would certainly have documented it.

Yeah it's almost as though they made it up. But that can't be the case because we have such a conclusive, widespread account of both events... oh wait, no we don't. We have scribblings from less than half a dozen people. Which in reality is a bit like reading a few reviews of gremlins and making the fatuous leap that because a few people wrote about them, they must exist.

It actually makes me sad that you are unable to see how easily refuted your position is. It must be very frustrating for you. Great fun for me, but frustrating for you.

One coincidence. Volcanic eruption. Something that can be seen and felt for 100s of miles.

you neglected to answer my questions, let me post them again so we can see if you can muster the intellectual courage to answer them.

Could you answer these questions please.
1. Why did so few people write about this supposed global darkening of the sky, if it actually happened? If this event occurred, as you describe, shouldn't we expect this to be one of the most documented events in all of human history?

2. Do you agree that other events can cause a blackout? Do you agree that a solar eclipse, and magic sky man dying, aren't the only things that can cause the sky to darken? And if you do agree, why are you ruling out the other events in favour of this frankly fantastical explanation about super-jew-man croaking it causing it?

 

Simply asking questions does not refute the testimony of eyewitnesses. Six people say the same thing to you. If I was one of the six who actually saw it and wrote about it, you would not believe me... I am guessing.

 

All those, how many? 6?, eye witnesses to an event which supposedly see the entire planet plunged in to darkness. Staggering evidence that this MUST have happened, the chinese were probably having a national wear a blindfold day.

 

Yes. If six people were in front of you, eyewitnesses of the same event, you would not believe them?

 

No, not if it was a global event as staggering as half the planet being unexpectedly plunged in to darkness and they were the only witnesses. Why, would you? Seriously, would you?

 

Isn't it lovely how stOx tries to manipulate science to work in his favor ? Kind of makes me wonder if he really is an idiot driven by pure hatred . I really like the volcanic eruption part where he tramples all over volcanology ignoring the fact that eruptions always leave a layer of ash that can be traced and dated . Science the enemy of atheist

One must also take pride in how he wants th entire planet in to write about an event , this being at a time when people barely knew how to read or write . You have 6 written sources stOx , if you ever find yourself near university (evil places) you can go in and ask some historians if 6 written sources are enough to confirm an event. Especially since most ancient events are confirmed by using fewer sources ; examples would include Troy (2 sources) or the Battle of Thermopylae (4 sources) .

@Blue Star Wikipedia is a very accurate source of information simply because it is being concerted and update by dozens of people including academicians . Don't try to deny it .

 

No, 2 coincidences (darkness and an earthquake), and you wrote them yourself:

 

About something that happened in the past, yes I would. About something in the future, I would start thinking seriously about it, depending on the reliability of the people talking to me. Here is why:


Remember the big earthquake in Japan? How about the one in Chile? The one in Haiti? People forget waaaay too quickly. Hardly anyone is thinking about those earthquakes, even though they were huge and many people died. Its just the way humanity is. They forget quickly. You would probably not have remembered them because they did not affect you very much. Until I mentioned them, they would have been forgotten by you and tomorrow you will not be thinking about them either. It is the same with the "dark day" event in the Bible. People "ooh" and "ahh" for a few days and then forget about it.


Here is a better question. If we lived 200 years ago and the same Japanese earthquake happened 200 years prior to our lives, do you think we would hear about it? Probably only if you lived in Japan or nearby, and probably only if you dug into the history of Japan. Otherwise, the news about that fateful day would never be heard by you or I.

Today we live in the era of information. The news from across the world reaches us almost in real time. Not so 200 years ago.

But, when we have six people telling us the same thing about the same day and we do not believe it... Why would half the planet need to agreee before you could believe it?

I already said earlier, the facts can be presented well, and people still choose to believe what they want.

 

I wanted to put this here for Stox... LINK

I am not saying this person is right.. and again, it is just one website, but I have seen other people say the same stuff.

I wonder how much more we are missing, eh?

 

This alone is enough to prove that the monkey theory of EVILution is a lie fabricated by scientists.

 

Question: To what end? What does a scientist, or a group of scientists have to gain by perpetuating a lie? Wouldn't science itself be the undoing of any lie? Do you realize that half of the food you eat has been genetically "evolved" by companies like Monsanto, based on research of this particular "lie"?

 

So you believe that you evolved from a monkey? and that the universe created itself out of nothing?

 

Answer his question. Is intellectual cowardice a part of you debating tactics? because it;s all you seem to do. How a discussion works is when people directly put a question to you, you answer it. And if you feel you lack the capacity to do so, you should opt out of any discussion.

Of course people start talking about things less, but those events were hugely documented, And they were isolated local events which only effected a small region. What you're talking about is a global event that effected half of the planet, yet was only documented by a handful of people around the same area, and none from any of the more scientifically advanced nations. I have to assume you're failing to grasp this distinction on purpose.

Because if it happened it would have been a monumental event. An event heavily documented by ALL of the more technologically advanced nations.

I agree with that. Unfortunately it's hard to reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves in to, as the religious demonstrate all too often.

Why are you posting it of you're not saying he is right? He's wrong, by the way.

J.R. Cole wrote, "The stone concretion is real, and it looks impressive to someone unfamiliar with geological processes. How could a modern artifact be stuck in Ordovician rock? The answer is that the concretion itself is not Ordovician. Minerals in solution can harden around an intrusive object dropped in a crack or simply left on the ground if the source rock (in this case, reportedly Ordovician) is chemically soluble."

Next time why not at least attempt to research valid explanations from more reputable sources, it saves me having to do it for you.

 

One word and one question, climategate and....


How long is a piece of string?

[video=youtube;VbodZKrAOGg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbodZKrAOGg[/video]​

 

Please dont start insulting people...

During the year 0 Advancement was papyrus, books were yet to be invented. Somebody else in this thread pointed this out as well.

My point was that the Japanese, Chilean and Haitian earthquakes were quickly forgotten. Sure they are down in the history books, but people JUST DONT CARE. The same with this event in the year 0. It is forgotten by most of the world, which means historians were much more valuable than they are now. Now, we have practically every event chronicled on the "twitter" server or some other server. Six people from history wrote the same thing about the same day, but it is not enough for some people to believe. I do, you dont. ya...

The realm of faith is the bigger realm that people live in. They live by their five ( perhaps more ) senses and trust in the things they believe they know. This is "Humanities 101". Many people find it hard to think critically and to change their lives when truth arrives. But as I am sure you have read,

But a bigger question is; How does a person know when they have the ability to recognize the truth when it arrives?

He is presenting so-called facts that I have yet to study. So is the OP, but because the OP has witnesses and you do not, I believe the OP and not you. I try to stay objective as much as possible. Science is a fact-finding mission, objective, unpoliticized, repeatable, demonstrative and therefore provable. A court of law does not accept anything but proven facts to proclaim guilt and innocence. Six witnesses to an event, in my court of law, is sufficient.


You will really hate this; Look up "Simon Greenleaf" online. He was one of the founders of Harvard Law School. Good luck.

 

I'll do what i want, thanks.

In the area directly around where the christian death cult was invented, yes, a lot of the rest of the planet were fairly more advanced than the illiterate dirt dwellers of the bible though. The chinese certainly were more than capable of recognising the significance of a global darkness and more than capable of documenting it thoroughly.

And my point is that they are still heavily documented, even though they are significantly smaller localised events than global, unexpected darkness.

Don't worry, i'll point that time out when you arrive at it.

You basically just admitted to believing anything you read. I posted a quote from a geologist who gave an explanation of how an object can be found in rock that is older than it.

Even if millions of others who would also have witnessed it didn't?

I already know about him. And using his logic Frodo existed because we have accounts of him from samwise, Gandalf, Gollum, Legolas and Peregrin. In a court of law, their testimonies would have proved his existence. See how facile his reasoning becomes when you apply it to something else other than the bible? Your shity little book doesn't get special treatment i'm afraid.

 

Actually, you are doing what I want and you did not know it. You proved me right. People just believe what they
want to believe, in spite of the facts. Go ahead and "do what you want".



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