NON-BIBLICAL Evidence for the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ

@Angelic:

Damn those scholars and their consensus that Josephus' account of Jesus was added in by the Catholic church. If only there were some other account of the man whose teachings and disciples were the foundation of the millennium commonly referred to as the dark ages. Such an important person seems he would have more written about him than Caesar, would he not?

Julian the Apostate dates to AD 360 and was a member of the Constantinian dynasty that brought us the Holy Roman Catholic Church, so he obviously doesn't qualify as a witness.

Pliny the Elder was from the right time period, but makes no mention of the name "Jesus".

Lucian of Samosata wasn't born until a century after Jesus' alleged death and he makes no mention of Jesus, though he does ridicule Christians in his Satire, so obviously the cult was growing by 140 ad or so.

You should try verifying your "provethebible.net" sources yourself, prior to posting them as legitimate. It would save me the trouble of clipping in these links which are readily available to anyone with an internet connection.

 

added in by the Catholic church? LOL

The Bible, the best selling book of all time

Pliny the Younger not Pliny the Elder:
http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0601.htm
http://www.provethebible.net/T2-Divin/D-0201.htm

 

You seem to have focused on a minority opinion, that ALL of Josephus' writings were forged. Did you miss the part where the consensus among historians is that the references to Jesus in Josephus' writings were added later? Either way, Josephus' writings cease to be useful as a first hand historical record.

Children of the Corn sold pretty well too. Perhaps you should treat it as a historical document as well.

Pliny the Younger is a little better, since he was born only 30 years after Jesus supposedly died. I'm still hard pressed to see how his documented torture of Christians(as a Jewish Sect) does anything to verify the story of Jesus as presented in the bible.

 

This is what goes on in a court of law. It is called evidence. It is how a judge and a jury come to conclusions on guilt and
innocence.

 

And of course you are right. The problem is that people believe what they WANT to believe irregardless of facts. You can do a perfect job of recounting facts and not achieve a thing. How I wish science had remained a "fact-finding" mission. That was it's first job, to uncover truth.

 

In the end, they will face CHRIST for the final judgement, regardless of what they believed.

 

Unless you are wrong. Personally, I believe they will face Allah, and his prophet Mohammad (PBUH)

 

The future can not be proven. It has not happened yet. This is where I unsub, I guess.

 

Allah = God = Christ (the Word of God)
"Allah" is just the Arabic word for God, just as "Dieu" is the French word for God. There is no difference.
"Allah" is used by all Arabic speakers including Arab CHRISTIANS and JEWS. Furthermore, the term "Allah" has been used long before Islam came into being; for example Mohammad's father was named Abdullah (Abd + Allah), meaning "Servant of God".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_(name)

 

Except where I come from, Allah didn't die for your sins. Where I come from, YOU die for your sins.

 

then NO ONE will make it to Heaven because we are all sinners.

 

Wow, 4 people wrote about an event which caused the entire planet to go unexpectedly dark. Anyone from astrologically and scholarly advanced nations, like China? No? Didn't think so.

So again, why did hardly anyone record this global darkness?

There are a few explanations that i can think of off the top of my head, and none require a magic sky man. The first explanation could be that they all made it up. They all heard the same fabrication, and wrote about it. Secondly, an earth quake is quite a common thing. Even if this "jesus" did exist and was tortured to death it's not beyond the realms of possibility that an earth quake could occur at the same time.

Like i said before, you really do have all your work ahead of you.

An eclipse isn't the only thing that can cause a darkening of the sky. Sandstorms and volcanic eruptions easily cause a blackout.

Could you answer these questions please.
1. Why did so few people write about this supposed global darkening of the sky, if it actually happened? If this event occurred, as you describe, shouldn't we expect this to be one of the most documented events in all of human history?

2. Do you agree that other events can cause a blackout? Do you agree that a solar eclipse, and magic sky man dying, aren't the only things that can cause the sky to darken? And if you do agree, why are you ruling out the other events in favour of this frankly fantastical explanation about super-jew-man croaking it causing it?

 

OK stoxy enlighten us WTF can cause the sky to darken except solar eclipse . You do have to keep in mind that #1 Volcanic eruption leave traces and we would have found those #2 Sand storm would be described as sand storms and #3 Freaky weather would be describe as a storm . No let's see what rabbits you're gonna try to pull out of your hat .

 

Simply because they thought it was a normal eclipse of the sun:

from 12pm to 3pm?, the SAME (3 hours) Jesus was on the cross? What a coincidence!

Two coincidences (darkness and an earthquake) at the same time?

 

I didnt unsub

Four witnesses in a court of law saying the same thing would pretty much "seal the deal" (verify) a fact. But, as I said earlier, facts can be presented and people believe whatever they want ... outside of critical thinking.

I believe the OP pointed out that they DID, right?

What you are referring to is statistics. We need a fairly good person in math to figure this out. He or she will of course need to be unbiased. Where do you find one of those nowadays?

Actually, you do. The OP brought forth facts and witnesses that corroborate those facts. The OP has
already done their work. You can believe them or not. We have seen that you are trying to bring up more QUESTIONS
about the evidence, but you have not refuted it. You are just one person.


The way to go about it is to bring up evidence that would make the evidence of the OP invalid. Since this is getting
long... you know what to do.

Right, but that is not the point here. I remember the recent sandstorm in Phoenix. There are plenty of youtube
videos about it. The sky got dark. Bring forth your evidence, please so we can see it and make an informed decision.

 

Facts are being presented. It is your choice to believe them or not. Surely you care about the truth?

 

That's not entirely accurate.

First, the Roman Empire was a time of cultural richness, so many many people wrote historical accounts during the Roman Empire. However, very few of those historical accounts have survived to be found over 2000 years later (duh). It's possible that many more were written. As you go back in time, the probability of more records being LOST increases (duh).(Had the Library at Alexandra not been burned, our knowledge of history would be much richer).

Second, I'm not sure that there was ever a claim of GLOBAL darkness? And if it was, let's keep it in context of the times. Rome claimed to have "conquered the known world". Global="The Known World"=Roman Empire. More likely it was a regional disturbance. A secular answer could be a supercell thunderstorm. A supercell thunderstorm has a rotating updraft and produces strong downbursts, hail the size of baseballs, deafening thunder, stinging rain, flash floods and tornadoes. I've experienced supercell thunderstorms and it's so extreme even an atheist would be driven to prayer. The sky in the afternoon is as dark as night. No eclipse required. Multiple supercell thunderstorms at the same time is scarier than Facebook's privacy statement.

In 2005, a supercell thunderstorm in Mumbai India lasted over four hours.

Supercell thunderstorms are rare in Israel, but they do happen.

Doesn't the account of Christ's crucifixion sound like a political assassination? The Pharisees were liberal extremists, Pilate was a conservative extremist. Both were obsessed with power, not religion. For those familiar with history, the subtext of the Biblical accounts are very entertaining and tells a lot.

 

LOL, made my day!

I think he was out to please his constituents.




For more interesting non-biblical evidence : LINK


The day the "sun stood still" in the book of Joshua was recorded in other cultures. A quote :

But... we can choose to believe it or not.

 

Wait a second Herodotus was dead at the time when Jesus was born and he never traveled to Egypt AFAIK . I think you have the wrong book keeper here .

 

Hey, thanks, but got a link ??