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Discussion in 'Sites' started by GeorgeB., Mar 12, 2006.

  1. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #21
    Not if you want to see the site design and actual keywords/brandability of the domain. For me the look and feel of a site is a MAJOR aspect in my decision to purchase as well as the domain.

    I mean.... irrelevant? You'd buy a site without knowing the URL? Of course you wouldn't and all sellers know that. So leaving the URL out because you think you've described it well enough doesn't hold water.
     
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  2. onlinedude

    onlinedude Peon

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    #22
    OK, "almost irrelevant" was a bit too strong - but if the seller gives accurate info re the income, traffic, keywords, etc. it's enough to decide whether you want to ask for the url or not.

    Besides if the look and feel of the site is crappy, then you probably with a little work could improve profitability greatly, so that would just be an added bonus.
     
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    NameWolf Guest

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    #23
    I also think that asking for appraisals in the sales section is not appropriate. You should not be selling a site if you dont' know what you want for it.
     
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  4. CReed

    CReed Prominent Member

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    #24
    Including the URL in the thread title would eliminate any live link problems and you might be able to determine if you have any interest in the sale.
     
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  5. onlinedude

    onlinedude Peon

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    #25
    OK, re-reading what I wrote, I can see how I'm not making myself clear.

    My point basically is this: if the seller provides enough info in his initial post, that is sufficient to base a decision on whether to request the url.

    It's really not troublesome in the scheme of things to send a PM saying "send me the url and traffic stats." And you can do it by PM rather than cluttering up the thread with that message.
     
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  6. Amilo

    Amilo Peon

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    #26
    Maybe like some other sites that have website sales there should be a list of what is expected by potential sellers like:

    URL
    SCREENSHOT STATS
    ANY ADSENSE STATS

    I think sales would be much faster and neater.
     
    Amilo, Mar 12, 2006 IP
  7. DariusY

    DariusY Member

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    #27
    I am for mandatory URLs as well.

    All of you that are saying it's not "troublesome" or this and that - why create even that hassle? Don't ppl have other things to do where even these 'minor' hassles we can all do without?
     
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  8. lovelylovely

    lovelylovely Guest

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    #28
    yupi fully agree

    no ones apposing puting url in threads
    just few saying it should be there and other few saying doesn't matter much(not saying NO)

    So seems no harm making it an obligation.
     
    lovelylovely, Mar 12, 2006 IP
  9. scoxy

    scoxy Peon

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    #29
    I think you shouldn't be obliged to say what the URL.

    What if, around 6 months after the sale, any one can just search google and find if the site has been traded hands on any forum. That might not be the kind of thing people want done.
     
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  10. iowadawg

    iowadawg Prominent Member

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    #30
    The site should not be for sale on a forum!
    Any site for sale should have the url.
    Go to ebay, about the only sites not showing a url are adult sites.
    To have to pm, as I have said before, and waiting and waiting for a reply, is just plain ridiculous.
    You would not run an ad in a paper and say "have a car for sale",
    call me if you want to know what kind of car, would you?
    Put the url if you are selling a site.
     
    iowadawg, Mar 12, 2006 IP
  11. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #31
    That argument still doesn't say why it shouldn't be listed either.... It just says that he has a reason not to post it but hes not saying why so hes providing info (accurate or not we can't tell) up front and then its up to you to PM him/her.

    You see people will argue that the seller doesn't want to waste time with people who aren't serious.... Well we buyers dont want to waste time with sellers who aren't serious. Some sellers lie. That's a fact proven over and over. Whether it be to scam or just to increase interest in a site they know would otherwise be skipped over. They know that once a potential buyer takes one look at the site he'll see it's a garbage stolen template or free template.

    Imagine this: Remember all those ridiculous made for adsense packs of 40 people were selling? Imagine someone was selling a site using content and design from one of those and hyped it up as a great value in their sales thread. One look and most would know it was garbage and move on. But instead they force you to PM them for the URL and waste your time only to see it's nothing but a turnkey site. (then they try and sell you a copy for half price)

    Padding the facts to increase interest in your sale is not uncommon and not having to post the URL just makes it worse.
     
    GeorgeB., Mar 12, 2006 IP
  12. PGZ

    PGZ Peon

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    #32
    I say list the url and make a Mod just for this section to watch for duplicate IPs for usernames.

    PGZ
     
    PGZ, Mar 12, 2006 IP
  13. NeoGen

    NeoGen Writer

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    #33
    Do agree.

    I would say more than URL, we would require basic information in terms of PR, traffic, revenue, date of creation of domain, registerar information, payment mode.

    I agree with respect to exception to dmoz listed domain/sites. But there too one/two level up directory information may be mentioned. Also tld of the domain should be mentioned.
     
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  14. routed11

    routed11 Peon

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    #34
    I agree URL's should be shown.

    If the thread being indexed is a concern, don't make it a link ie.
    hxxp://mysite.com
    or
    www. mysite. com
     
    routed11, Mar 12, 2006 IP
  15. Cyclops

    Cyclops sensei

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    #35
    I don't even bother going any further if the URL isn't available in the thread. I have seen enough scams to know that if it's not their thats a red flag.
    I might miss out on a good deal but the seller is doing themself a dis-service and is missing out on a better price.

    If you want to sell a site everything should be out in the open.
    D/P is probably the biggest site for buying and selling sites, all these PM me the URL posts are clogging up the system. Especially when the seller waits a few hours until the thread drops to the bottom of the page then posts an inane "PM sent" to drive it to the top again.
     
    Cyclops, Mar 12, 2006 IP
  16. mustangsally

    mustangsally Well-Known Member

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    #36
    If people are against having members see the URL, just do a tinyurl.com/34532 in the thread, so people can see the site, without google being able to pick it up
     
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  17. iBBnet

    iBBnet Peon

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    #37
    If it's a SCAM, then you will be scammed whether or not the URL of the site is specified on the forum post or not. It really happens both ways.

    =========
    Here's a solution for those who want to keep website sales confidential (without posting the site URL on the forum :rolleyes: :

    - Create a SALES PAGE and upload that to your server. Include a link on the forum sales thread to that page on your server (or one of your other sites) describing the site for sale in more detail. You can post general stuff on the forum thread, but for more detailed information (like URL of the site, website owner, contact info, phone numbers, etc.) you can post it on that off-forum sales page.

    That's how some established web companies sold off their sites and their assets. In some cases, you really want to keep business transactions in confidentiality. There's really no point in signing an NDA (non-disclosure and confidentiality agreement) if you search the engines and people find out about the transaction because the forum thread was picked up and indexed by the engines.

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    putting mydomain.com (which is a non-clickable link) doesn't work either. It still gets picked up by the search engines (it's a keyword). If you don't believe me, type in the domain of your site (if you've mentioned it in one of the forums).

    Like I said earlier, I bought a business website off of somebody in one of the other forums, and for a long time the search engines displayed the whole transaction online for everyone to see. I didn't like that! And I learned my lesson from it...:)

    For simple little adsense sites or little turnkey sites, yeah... maybe it's ok to post the URL in the forum... but for bigger business sites and transactions (where confidentiality is a concern), I wouldn't advice it.

    Again, the solution I have above is just perfect for those type of bigger and major transactions... ;)
     
    iBBnet, Mar 12, 2006 IP
  18. GeorgeB.

    GeorgeB. Notable Member

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    #38
    iBBnet,

    No offense to your detailed, eloquent description. I think it would work too :)

    But using something like tinyurl I think is a lot simpler and easier idea ;)
     
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    iBBnet Peon

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    #39
    LOL, I'm not offended :) . Using tinyurl works out too! I just forgot to give credit to that when I posted :D

    Sorry if my post took up a lot of space. Hope no one will trash and kill me for that :p

    Cheers!
     
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  20. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #40
    I'm with onlinedude.. there's several good reasons you might not want to post the URL:

    1. If it's a niche you don't want people stealing (that would hurt the potential buyer to have 100 new sites pop up from seeing the thread)

    2. If posting it publicly has the potential to harm the site in any way (such as a forum, etc)
     
    yo-yo, Mar 13, 2006 IP