No Polish or Russian Ads Please!!!

My thoughts exactly......

 

As an text link advertiser I would like my links on as many sites as is humanly possible. If there is no penalty for me it's ok for my ads to be on any legal site. Sex, RX, POLSKI - it doesn't matter.

They can't penalize me for who links to me.

I also do not want to give up any weight. My thoughts exactly too.

As a webmaster offering web space to text ads - I would like the best looking highest quality ads possible on my pages. Since Goo CAN penalize me, or think badly of my site, for the links that it sees on MY pages, I'd rather be cautious than to post ads that are thought to be "looked down upon".

Sites that are generally scrutinized include sex sites, viagra, pharmacy rx, gambling casinos... and yes - POLSKI RUSSKI language text links fall in that category. In other words I don't voluntarily post links in my directories or web sites that will reflect poorly upon my web site in the eyes of my visitors and/or the search engines.

I love the coop and it's benefits. I am willing to take chances and accept the limitations. I am simply making suggestions that can benefit us all.

I never suggested remove POLSKA or else. I am simply pointing out the risk and from what I have read in this thread I am not alone.

Don't mess with my weight! I'm the good guy!

 

I realize this but this isn't about ... Get rid of languages other than English... This is merely about making suggestions to improve the network. All we are asking for is the choice to be there. Tops is correct that some sites may benefit from having other languages or characters on their site..But it would be a vast improvement to let the webmaster choose.

Its brought up each time that the amount of links will change for the worse if something like this is available...I don't agree..I know several people myself who would come back to the network if they didn't have to have foreign language ads on their site. Sometimes its about perception. Fryman made the point of Google evaluating a site for the local search. If they see a lot of Polish text, it may hurt you in the "Pages from the UK" search. Im not saying thats they way it is, but there are a lot of people that percieve it that way.

By making this an "option", it bringas more people to the table while allowing existing members to make their own choice.

 

Polish Ads... Russian Ads..... Spanish Ads.... It really makes no difference to me. almost tripled in sales since joining the network 3 weeks ago, almost 8000 backlinks in MSN (however all of our pages except the index have been removed from MSN and I don't know why, yet) #11 for our main keyword phrase (extremely competitive and difficult), #8 for our secondary keyword phrase, and #1 & #2 for numerous keyword phrases that we weren't planning on going for....

Now get this.... I have never heard this mentioned anywhere, (sorry to get off the subject) however I have seen proof of this using the network.

For example:
We have our main keyword phrase: widgets.... that is one ad.
We have second keyword phrase: blue styles.... that is the second ad.

However we come up #1 or #2 depending on which datacenter you look at for blue widgets.

Google has actually combined our anchor text from two different links to put us number 1 or 2 for a total different keyword phrase we were not going after in the first place. We were not found for that keyword phrase at all prior to the network.
Isn't that interesting?

 

tip:
Do a search on "Latent Semantic Indexing"...

It should provide you with the information to explain why exactly this is the case.

 

Thank You...... That is some great information. I know what I will be doing for the next couple hours.... There goes any work I was supposed to be doing.

 

Clasione, so why did you say "Never join a FFA (free for all) or link pyramid program to build links."?

 

On my site right now:

Looks so beautiful...

 

I will also add for those who say..It works, so don't change it....(A flawed concept on every level)

There is a well known and respected SEO that has developed their own ad network. It is still in invitation only Beta but it addresses a lot of these concerns with options (which is all we are asking for). Plus a lot of added features. I personally list ads on my sites where visitors arent the main focus although I would love to put some of my other sites on the network. The problem with never changing or allowing members some control is that people start pulling off their good sites and you are left with scraper sites, directory sites purely for the network, and the foreign language sites that are the reason for this discussion. This hasn't happened because their hasn't been any real competition. Sure their are plenty of other ad networks but none with the trust this one has because of who runs it.

As far as why I don't have the ads on all my best sites - I had it on just one but I had someone PM me to complain about an Ad (This particular site was a forum). They didn't think what it said was appropriate - They claim it was sex something but since the ads rotate, I had no way of confirming which one it was.

What I didn't realize until posting about it here is that these ads get more of a free ride because how can they properly be reviewed if the reviewers don't speak or read that language? That isn't the fault of those who do volunteerr their time but it became a risk I just can't have on some of my sites.

I have other sites that I couldn't care less so the ads stay there but I don't see it as a bad thing for me to be able to specify English ads only (and get less weight) if that improves the overall pool of sites joining the network.

My loyalty is to this network right now but if the mentality stays at "It works so leave it alone" or "Leave if you don't like it", you may see a lot of high quality sites do just that. The network will continue to grow of course but will it keep growing as an Ad Network?

Also, don't get me wrong...I have benefited a lot from this network and am very appreciative. My rant is only an attempt to make sure it keeps being the resource that Shawn had in mind when it was created!

 

I actually agree.

Question.


How do editors, read spanish, russian, polish? I wouldnt think you know all the languages.

 

Well guys I'm just getting sick reading your moans.

I have read the FAQ carefully and the first sentence of it is:

"...The ad network is a network of site owners that offer ad space to the network..."

There is no "...an english network of english site owners ..." so i pressume it's a global network.

You are not trying to find a solution which would be good for all of us, but only for YOU. Yeah, polish sites are minority in the network, so yeah, come on cowboys, let's penalize them!!

Enjoy.

 

Too right...

Get over it...

Things will change... Just give it time.

 

I agree with you Kalashnik0v! English speakers don't own the net. This network never specified language restrictions. And the two lines you've hilighted are bordering on discrimination almost.

I'm with Shawn on this. You block certain languages/themes? You get less weight because you make the network smaller/worth less.

 

How do you control the website which are not in english though? Do you have reviewer who can read all of the languages which are in the network?

 

I don't want any weird skwarezka ads on my site any more. I don't care about less weight and hope this is fixed soon. Search engines aren't stupid and will soon realize that having these ads on an English site is absurd.

 

This is getting a bit out of hand...Who said english sites own the net or anything about discrimination??? I take that very seriously.

This is an open forum where suggestions should be welcome, not accusations of discrimination.

I have said before that a reduction of weight would be appropriate.

I have said before it would only be presented as an option.

If this is such an unreasonable suggestion, why do you choose a language when you write an ad. I assume its to guage the feasability of what is suggested.

And certainly its a valid question to ask how reviewers judge sites of which they don't know what the anchor text is or the site content?

I personally think "bordering on discrimination" was written in haste and not really meant.

 

yfs1; read his/her words. 1001 bases importance on numbers. How is that for equal treatment? That opinion borders on discrimination. I know (assume) he/she didn't mean it in a discriminating way (hence me writing it in such a way that I didn't accuse him/her of actual discrimination) but the way he/she wrote it is. See a definition of discrimination but I'm sure you needn't be reminded.

Yes we're here to discuss the matter but the answer has been given at least a dozen of times; it will be implemented soon!

 

No offense Tops, but I don't think the answer has been given here at least a dozen times by the only person who can actually claim when something will or will not be implemented.

I for one think that there is a problem with ads in languages other than English, and here is why. As yfs1 has asked, how do we, as Coop members, know that ads in the system in any language are reviewed by someone who can read and speak that language? That is where my concern lies, and I am sure there are plenty of others who are concerned as well...as it is a completely rational thought. This has nothing to do with discrimination it has to do with the coop and it's members. A cooperative is based on the will of its members, so let them speak.

Now, everyone have a great day. I am going to go brush up on my Polish.

 

p.s. I can read, speak, translate russian if anyone wants a website checked

 

So you say a lot of people are worrying about this... Then why doesn't anyone start a thread about foreign language reviewing?