The US is already in Somalia with its CIA to cause disruption and instability, and is actively murdering people with its drones, but we could see the US/NATO invading Somalia in the near future, I think there is a high chance they will, because according to recent reports Somalia has just began to drill for oil for the first time: It has been estimated that anything from 300 million to 19 billion barrels of oil can be in these basins.Its important to note that in the early 90's the US has invaded Somalia to secure oil drilling contracts there - http://michaelmaren.com/somalia-archive/the-oil-factor-in-somalia/. The Americans were brutally defeated and forced out of the country.
Do you even read the articles you link? The early 90's "invasion" was actually a UN peace keeping mission, with troops from mostly Muslim nations such as Pakistan and Malaysia. The "brutal defeat" you are talking about is the Battle of Mogadishu, where an estimated 500-1000 Somali's were killed as well as 18 US service men. With too many "victory's" like that, Somalia would be a nation without any people. Did you read about the recent Somali "Victory"? Apparently 9 Somalis bravely threw themselves in front of bullets coming from the rifles of US Seal Team 6, causing the seals to flee the area, along with the two hostages the Somalis had been holding. Another glorious victory!
Defeat is a defeat, regardless of how many casualties they had. These were the kind of images we saw on the news back then: The US was forced to go back to where they came from. Halleluyah. This has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.
Right. Somali warlords lost 1000 people, Americans lost 18 and still completed their mission. That is a pretty resounding defeat for the Somali warlord, despite the 18 US casualties. By the way, thanks for reminding us of how US soldiers are treated by "your people". It makes urinating on dead soldiers in Afghanistan seem tame by comparison. Of course it does! By your logic, it is another glorious Somali victory! Think about it. The US accomplishes it's mission and leaves lots of dead Somalis behind. It has all the hallmarks of what you call success!
The Americans obviously have the guns and the bombs, they will always kill many people. The important thing is that they were defeated and they left earlier than planned. No mission was accomplished. About the dragging of the corpse, I don't agree with what they did there, but I agree with resisting imperialism. You are trying to put words in my mouth.
If you knew anything about it, you would know that Task force ranger accomplished it's mission objective that day. As far as UN peace keeping forces leaving Somalia, it is very hard to see how that could be called a victory either. Two decades later, Somalia is still possibly the worst war torn shithole on the planet. Again, so odd to see what you call victory. Of course you do. That's why you posted the pictures. The are like some kind of trophy for you. Not at all! You clearly consider an engagement where you lose 100 troops to one of the enemy a victory. According to you, it is a victory because the Americans left. The recent seal team incursion into Somalia left 9 Somalis dead and the Americans left (with the two hostages). ANOTHER GLORIOUS SOMALI VICTORY!!!!
Since you like wikipedia so much, you can read it there, it says the SNA had a strategic victory. They wanted to drive the Americans out, they succeeded, that's all that matters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993) It probably is the worlds most dangerous and undeveloped country, but again, this is totally irrelevant. So long as the enemy has left, its a victory. Yadda Yadda Yadda, I haven't said anything like this. Stop trying to derail this thread.
Strategic victory.... was that your indirect way of admitting Mogadishu was a horrible tactical loss for SNA? From your link: Now regarding strategic "victory": All part of the glory of victory, right? So lets recap. US participates in UN peacekeeping boondoggle in an effort to try and restore order to Somalia's civil war torn coutnry General Aidid shows willingness to turn thousands of his own troops into hamburger to keep Somalia a shithole The US grant's Aidid his wish and turns his troops to hamburger Clinton reassesses the situation and decides it is not worth the US Taxpayer dollars to support the UN in the matter (Can lead a horse to water.....you know) General Aidid dies three years later 20 years later Somalia is still a shithole, yet somehow you consider that a strategic victory Hey I get it man. It is a strategic victory against education, peace and prosperity for Somalians. It was a strategic victory against wasting taxpayer dollars helping the mentally handicapped. Oh wait, you said those things are "irrelevant".
The US claimed 1000+ died to claim a tactical victory, the SNA however claims a range of 133 to 315 Somali casualties. In any case, an enemy came and was forced out, that's all that matters, wether 1 billion died or 1 thousand died does not matter, so long as the enemy is driven out its all good. Real timeline: - Four American petroleum giants had agreements with the Somalia - Civil War breaks out and the US decides to interfere to secure its oil interests - US forces arrive and find it hard to defeat militias, they withdrew earlier than planned - Victory for Somalians
Yes, we've already established that you consider civilization an enemy worth defeating at any price in human blood. Thanks for repeating it for emphasis. Mission Accomplished. Are you talking about Libya here, or Somalia? Perhaps you are trying to make the point that the Lybians should be trying to get rid of the foreign meddlers so they can experience the "Success" of "Victory" the people of Somalia are experiencing? LMAO LoL. Yes, their success is a lesson for us all! Most countries look at Somalia and say, "How can we create happiness for our citizens like Somalia has for theirs". Its actually something they share with the people of Gaza. In fairness, I do have an idea that would help out the people of Somalia, Gaza, and the rest of the planet. What we need to do is take Hamas and their followers and airlift them to Somalia. The international community could then build a giant fence around Somalia, and hang a sign on it calling it the World Prison. Give every new inmate an automatic weapon and a few clips of Ammo. Let them build on their "Success" while leaving the rest of the world, its ocean traffic, and it's people in peace. You could be the first mayor (You do such a great job selling their "Success"). You would want to quickly put together something like the "oil for food program", except in the case of Somalia, it would be oil for small arms. I would be highly in favor of sending you as many small arms and land mines as possible, but no food. Furthermore, I would be in favor of commuting the sentence of any US inmate who was willing to be deported to the Somalia World Prison. As they would be former US citizens, I would issue each of them two duffle's full of ammunition and a state of the art assault rifle. It would be a dramatic reduction in the costs of keeping up the US Prison complex. Granted, this would probably quickly end your term as "Mayor" of the "Successful" state of Somalia, but an American is probably better suited to the role anyway.
We are talking about how ordinary unarmed Somalians drove out American imperialists. Not how Somalia is a failed state. Here we have John Mccain in 1993 arguing for the US to withdraw from Somalia before more troops are killed or captured: [video=youtube;o8TFKXHiefs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8TFKXHiefs[/video] This is nothing but infantile stuff I'm afraid.
LMAO. Yes, they brought down a blackhawk by hurling fowl language at it. Stop man! you are killing me! Uh, I know this is lost on you but one of the reasons Somalia is a failed state is because the dumbsh*ts who dwell there caused the international peace keeping force to abandon them. Its a bit like driving the academic staff from your college campus and saying, "Well, we is all pretty stupid now, but at least we got rid of the oppressors who made us work". Let me be the first to say, "CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR VICTORY AND YOUR SUCCESS!!!" Hell no! The international prison of Somalia is a great idea! At some point, putting all the retards in a single location makes perfect sense, and you've made a great case as to why Somalia should be the epicenter, and you should be Mayor!
The international peace keeping force that killed 1000+ LOL. And went to on to kill 1 million Iraqis, and thousands of Afghans. Who knows how many Somalians would be murdered by the US if it stayed longer.
Wasn't it you who said, 1000, 10,000, one million. Any number of dead would be worth expelling the peace keeping force. LoL. What can I say, you can't bring peace to those who don't want it, which is once again, why the UN peace keeping force left, and why Somalia is still a sh*thole. LoL. The UN left Somalia and invaded Iraq? Put down the crack pipe pal. The US invaded Iraq, not the UN. Murderous sectarian zealots like yourself killed 1 million Iraqi's not the UN.
Yes I did, you cannot call American imperialists "peace keepers" if they are murdering hundreds of people. They certainly were not peace keepers when they killed 1 million Iraqi's in the name of oil and gas. Or when these "peace keepers" went to Afghanistan and helped poor Afghans to grow opium so it could be shipped internationally to make thousands and thousands of people addicted to heroine. I'm talking about the American imperialists.
Peacekeeping troops are pretty much useless unless they use their weapons. Had the peacekeepers in Rwanda used their weapons, there might be a million more live Africans today. Again, foreign troops didn't kill a million Iraqis. Iraqis killed a million Iraqis, over the type of sectarian BS you love to promote. One could reasonably say it is people like you who caused the death of a million Iraqis. That makes you an indirect accessory to mass murder. I'm sure that doesn't bother you in the slightest. We didn't go to Afghanistan on a peace keeping mission. We went to Afghanistan to kill, and the people we set out to kill are pretty much all dead. More Mars Attacks. You regularly use the phrase "American Imperialist" when it is you who regularly posts an image of a single flag flying over a 10 currently independent countries in the middle east, an offensive symbol of Arab imperialism. What I find inspiring is how many people in countries like Syria that flatly reject what you stand for. Apparently stupidity isn't as contageous as previously thought.
Thanks for posting these images again. Now I can feel no sympathy for every fucking insurgent killed and pissed on in Afghanistan, Iraq or any other shithole.