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Next type of coding to replace HTML...

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by 8everything, Feb 25, 2007.

  1. #1
    I've noticed a decline in the use of HTML in sites.. what do you think is going to be the next code that will eventually replace HTML?

    I'm leaning towards CSS...

    Any inputs? (I'd like atleast a year warning before it gets replaced so I can sharpen up my CSS skills lol)
     
    8everything, Feb 25, 2007 IP
  2. Aragorn

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    Decline in use of HTML??? What do you mean? Its true that more and more webmasters are using XHTML now. But it is still the extention of HTML as an application of the XML language. You cannot design a site using CSS only. So I don't agree to your opinion.
     
    Aragorn, Feb 25, 2007 IP
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    330td Well-Known Member

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    CSS is not really for coding website, its works only with (X)HTML
     
    330td, Feb 25, 2007 IP
  4. 8everything

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    Sorry, I just got confused because many people contact me asking to code their site with only CSS or XHTML (that is an extension I must agree).

    Good to hear though :)
     
    8everything, Feb 25, 2007 IP
  5. Clive

    Clive Web Developer

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    Yep, you won't see a website without HTML elements in it.
     
    Clive, Feb 25, 2007 IP
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    Yeah, next CODE will be CODY...I'm working on it :D
     
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    Clive Web Developer

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    Oh no, then it's going to be XCODY and we might need a new category on this forum ;)
     
    Clive, Feb 25, 2007 IP
  8. Codythebest

    Codythebest Notable Member

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    Yeah...CODYBB is ready and CODYSCRIPT almost done :D

    I really deserve some green on this one :rolleyes: :D
     
    Codythebest, Feb 25, 2007 IP
  9. jgjg

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    I don't understand what the big fuss is about tableless CSS? maybe someone can explain to me why it is better?

    I can see a few reasons (maybe faster to update large amounts of pages)

    but it is so damn complicated to calculate and hard to get to render right.

    Anyone agree or disagree?

    maybe I'll start a poll
     
    jgjg, Feb 26, 2007 IP
  10. 8everything

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    It's better because its compatible w/ FF and IE browsers :)
     
    8everything, Feb 26, 2007 IP
  11. Clive

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    Are we referring to CSS or table layout as being compatible with the browsers above mentione? :)
     
    Clive, Feb 26, 2007 IP
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    (X)HTML cannot as of the state of our world right now, be replaced. To replace it would mean to have a majority of sites switch to it, but that will never happen. HTML has been refined for so long, and even with all this talk of PERL, RUBY, JAVA, VB, all they really do is generate (X)HTML in the end. XML will probably begin to become more and more commonplace as standards gurus demand more and more refined code, but even that will have little impact on the Web as a whole. Should there ever be anything other than (X)HTML that is even feasible for the web it will be some stupid proprietary junk that MS comes up with. That or Flash will dominate the world, but neither of which are likely.
     
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  13. Aragorn

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    Plz let me know before it is released, i want to quit programming before that :D
    Did you really mean that? I can create a cross browser compatible page using tables in less than quarter of the time it takes to create a similar page using CSS alone.
     
    Aragorn, Feb 27, 2007 IP
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    I will be PHP. Sites can be coded in 99% PHP
     
    jacobbannier, Feb 27, 2007 IP
  15. 8everything

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    Well from my personal experience. Of course I use HTML tables most of the time and they work fine, but when I encounter a problem, I just code it with CSS and it fixes it:eek:
     
    8everything, Feb 27, 2007 IP
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    Tables have their limitations. For instance IE refuses to display more then 7 nested tables .. one inside an other. :(
     
    pprabhu, Feb 27, 2007 IP
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    although with more and more css usage you will see a decline in the amount of html used within a page and stuff. no more tables and bold elements can be done with css etc.
     
    just-4-teens, Feb 27, 2007 IP
  18. Clive

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    #18
    That statement is wrong.
    Just ran a test with 10 nested tables and they loaded fine both in IE and FF. Although the idea of nesting that many tables is stupid itself.
     
    Clive, Feb 27, 2007 IP
  19. abdussamad

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    Yes its hard to get CSS to render correctly in all browsers. For me it involves a lot of trial and error. But there are some significant advantages:

    • It results in faster loading web pages. HTML files are smaller since they only contain the content and not the styles. The css file only has to be downloaded once and applies to multiple pages.
    • It is more search engine friendly because it allows you to optimize content for SEs and human users. For ex: you can place the content at the very top or start of your source code for optimal SE indexing while making it appear after your nav bar for your human users. It also results in lower code to content ratio. There is this tool at seochat that calculates the code to text ratio.
    • As you have pointed out it makes it easier to modify your site. This is because content is seperated from style. You can change the whole look of the site by editing just the one file. You have to be pretty good at css to achieve this but it is possible. See csszengarden.com for examples.
    • It makes web pages more accessible to the disabled. This is because the html pages contain much more text and content than if table based designs are used.

    Personally I started designing web pages using css and not tables as most people do.
     
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  20. Dominicc2003

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    But PHP couldnt exist without HTML! :(
     
    Dominicc2003, Feb 27, 2007 IP