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New parallax design is working on some computers but not others

Discussion in 'HTML & Website Design' started by tyankee, Feb 8, 2018.

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    I am redesigning a Wordpress website at http://jimb101.staging.wpengine.com/ and it uses 'parallax' sections using WPBakery (used to be Visual Composer). The site is working great on my computers in all browsers. a full page image shows up on the front page and then when you scroll down another image with text overlays the first image, and then continue scrolling and another image with text overlays the previous section. THIS IS ALL ON LARGER SCREENS, LIKE DESKTOPS. BUT on some of the clients computers, it doesn't work that way using the same browsers. it crunches all of the first 3 sections into the initial home page screen. i've attached images of both versions. Could anyone please let me know what you see when you visit and what browser/operating systems/device you are working on.
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    http://g8x.net/images/2018-02-08_1358.png - messed up home screen
    http://g8x.net/images/2018-02-08_1351.png - correct home screen
     
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    1) welcome to why I don't believe in massive bandwidth wasting background images mated to bloated bandwidth wasting scripttardery just for a goofy visual effect that gets in the way of what's REALLY important, delivering content to users.

    2) given the outright TRAIN WRECK of non-semantic gibberish you've got turdpress vomiting up, with endless pointless DIV for nothing, endless pointless classes for nothing, endless pointless separate stylesheets and scripts dragging the load time into the ninth circle of hell, endless pointless static style in the markup, lack of media targets, and general outright ineptitude at the most basic concepts of HTML and CSS... Well...

    It's hardly a shock you've got a broken page vomiting up 127k of markup to deliver 2.92k of plaintext, seven media elements, and one form -- basically 10k of HTML's freaking job! You mate that to the outright nutters 4 megabytes of scripttardery spanning 97 files and utterly batshit 3.1 megabytes of CSS spanning 47 files on a site that by all rights has zero legitimate reason to have more than 32k of CSS in one file (since you have no multiple media targets) and maybe 32k of JS in one file... Well it explains the 253 SECOND cache-empty first load!

    Much less there is no 'silver bullet' for fixing this ineptly slopped together mess. If you brought that to me as a paying client, I would tell you to pitch that entire DISASTER in the trash and to start over using semantic markup, progressive enhancement, and backing the **** away from off the shelf frameworks and goofy "gee ain't it neat" scripting and image-heavy bull that only marketing scammers and know-nothing artists under the DELUSION that they are "designers" care about.

    There is next to nothing I would salvage from that mess. It's wrapped itself around a tree at 150mph.

    Apologies if that sounds harsh, but that's the truth of it. It is in CODE ALONE -- not even counting media elements like images and video -- 100 times the total filesize and 50 times the total number of files that should have been used to do the job!
     
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    Wow that was entirely useless. All I got from that was that you hate WordPress. This is a theme the client picked out and I'm only trying to make it work. I told them that simpler is always better but people want pizazzz and they are paying good money to get what they want. Next time less of a rant may be more constructive.
     
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    If that was all you got from it, you probably aren't qualified to be fixing it.

    100 times the total filesize and 50 times the total number of files that should have been used to do the job!

    That's the bottom line, so it's 5000 times harder to fix and not something you're just going to be able to shoot a magic silver bullet at. That's about as constructive as you're going to get for that ineptly slopped together laundry list of how NOT to build a website. Anything less is just some sleazy dirtbag scam-artist blowing smoke up your tuchas! Throwing more code at it is just going to make it fall apart even more. Whoever made that template is unqualified to be making websites, and as such the only PROPER fix is to start over from scratch if you care at ALL about visitors to the page even bothering to wait for it to finish loading before saying "screw this" and going to some other website!

    But if the client is the one insisting on shtupping themselves, not much you can do about that either -- except perhaps going Kenny Rogers on it. Know when to walk away, know when to RUN!. If they don't see the problem with a website that takes over four minutes to load cache-empty thanks to the batshit absurd number of separate files, they aren't a client you should even be TRYING to help. The money doesn't exist to make that headache worth it.
     
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    You're just a peach, aren't you. Friends must be hard to come by. And are you in dial up in a 3rd world country? This loads on my 4 year old computer in a couple seconds. and thanks for grading my knowledge, which you haven't a clue about. Is there any way I can block you?
     
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    My friends are the types who actually listen when someone tries to give them advice, and don't like having smoke blown up their backside by scammers. Those who favor truth and honesty over disingenuous back-slapping and platitudes.

    Recently upgraded to 150/15, so no. But what you are missing is that you likely don't understand how handshaking works... since for each separate file that can be anywhere from 200ms to over a second PER FILE depending on the number of hops to the server -- what's YOUR ping-time to the hosting? If you're lucky and right on top of it then it probably doesn't matter. Someone on the wrong side of a backbone from the hosting REGARDLESS of connection speed is going to be utterly SCREWED by the 179 separate file requests... the real world average of overhead on a cache-empty first time visit JUST because of all those separate files regardless of connection throughput is 34 blasted seconds, and a worst case scenario is easily three minutes OR MORE!!!

    That's why combining CSS files to a monlithic sheet can pay dividends in load times. That's why endlessly slopping together disparate frameworks has such a negative impact on site functionality and usability. That's why development techniques like the incorrectly named "CSS Sprites" came into being and why so many people are moving their line-art into single font files like font-awesome does. To reduce the number of overall files to speed up page loads since again, the handshaking overhead of separate files has a negative impact regardless of connection speed that is based entirely on the network topology and geography between the server and client!

    Which is why this:
    
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    Is the PINNACLE of developer incompetence and ineptitude!

    ... and since from here I'm seeing 941ms of ping time to that hosting, that's why it's taking over two minutes to load here, even if once the file transfers start even the multi-megabyte files transfer near instantaneously. The largest file there, the batshit 3.7 megabyte "CSI_Headquarters-resized-for-youtube.png" (which is too large to have any business on a production website since it's presentation not content) only took 241ms to transfer once things got going -- too bad it sat there with its thumb up its backside for 3.2 seconds in handshaking due to being starved out on the connection limit...

    But since you clearly don't know that, what conclusions am I supposed to draw in terms of "grading your knowledge" -- I'm making educated guesses based on your statements and the garbage half-witted code presented.

    Simple fact is you don't want actual help, or to fix anything; you've made that abundantly clear! You just want to screw over the client or let the client screw themselves, sleazing by on as little effort as possible for a quick payout after throwing some magical fix at something that has no business being deployed as a website.

    Hence your asking to block since "wah wah, I can't handle the truth"
     
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    tyankee Well-Known Member

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    Your style of delivery and 'suggestions' is one of a neanderthal. maybe if you tone it down a bit, people will listen. it sure is obvious i don't have a spec of knowledge compared to you and i understood maybe about 20% of what you said. Dumb it down for us dumb people. I'm an SEO guy who does some Wordpress work and this client wanted a new website using this theme. maybe if i spoke plain English to them, they would understand. But i couldn't even begin to try to explain based on what you told me except that it loads a lot of files and large images.
     
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  8. deathshadow

    deathshadow Acclaimed Member

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    My tone is that of a businessman and a New Englander; you know, "Yah cahnt geht theyah frum heeyah!"? I'd half expect someone with "yankee" in their name to understand that. Apologies if I don't slap the rose coloured glasses on your head whist whispering sweet nothings in your ear, with soothing syrup words to guide you down the garden path to failure!

    ... and that's EXACTLY where this train wreck is heading.

    That statement is troubling...

    An "SEO guy" would know that Google is penalizing websites for slow loadtimes... which is why you'd be consulting pagespeed insights:
    https://developers.google.com/speed/pagespeed/insights/?url=http://jimb101.staging.wpengine.com/

    An "SEO guy" would know what semantic markup is and why it is important... and recognize that this is NOT it:
    https://gsnedders.html5.org/outliner/process.py?url=http://jimb101.staging.wpengine.com/

    An "SEO guy" should be flipping out going "what the hell is this garbage" when they see this:
    <div class="header-widget widget_text header-right-widget">			<div class="textwidget"><p><a href="http://jimb101.staging.wpengine.com/contact-us-2">Contact Us</a>: <span data-type="normal"  class="qode_icon_shortcode  q_font_awsome_icon fa-lg  " style="margin: 0 5px 0 0; "><span aria-hidden="true" class="qode_icon_font_elegant icon_phone qode_icon_element" style="font-size: 13px;color: #ffffff;" ></span></span>(877) 572-5515) <span data-type="normal"  class="qode_icon_shortcode  q_font_awsome_icon fa-lg  " style="margin: 0 0 0 2px; "><span aria-hidden="true" class="qode_icon_font_elegant icon_pin_alt qode_icon_element" style="font-size: 13px;color: #ffffff;" ></span></span>7000 West Victory Rd. Boise, Idaho 83709<span data-type="normal" data-hover-icon-color="#cdcdcf" class="qode_icon_shortcode  q_font_awsome_icon fa-lg  " style="margin: 0 5px 0 10px; "><a  itemprop="url" href="https://www.facebook.com/" target="_blank"><span aria-hidden="true" class="qode_icon_font_elegant social_facebook qode_icon_element" style="font-size: 16px;color: #ffffff;" ></span></a></span><span data-type="normal" data-hover-icon-color="#cdcdcf" class="qode_icon_shortcode  q_font_awsome_icon fa-lg  " style="margin: 0 15px 0 0; "><a  itemprop="url" href="https://www.twitter.com/" target="_blank"><span aria-hidden="true" class="qode_icon_font_elegant social_twitter qode_icon_element" style="font-size: 16px;color: #ffffff;" ></span></a></span></p>
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    Code (markup):
    Since in terms of on-page SEO there are only TWO things that matter -- content of value and semantic markup. On top of being a bloated slow mess, it has ZERO proper semantics flipping the bird at accessibility. Makes me wonder just what in blazes you think SEO is... unless you've been dipping into the black-hat hoodoo-voodoo that's more likely to get a site slapped down for abuse than to ensure its long-term place in the market. If you don't know the basics of what semantic markup is or how to use it, you don't know much about SEO either.

    There's not much room to dumb it down much further. That off the shelf template is scam artist nonsense, anyone telling you otherwise is trying to saddle you up and take you for a ride. It is built from too many separate files, the code is absolute trash and 100 times the size it should be, making it 1000 times harder to make even the slightest changes much less try to make it PROPERLY responsive.

    There is NOTHING of value to salvage from it. If you cannot understand these things and cannot articulate it to the client, you need to hire someone qualified to actually work on websites to do it for them... both in terms of explaining how they've fallen into a scam with less business legitimacy than Amway or Mary Kay, and how the ENTIRE disaster needs to be pitched in the trash and started over from scratch with an entirely different approach if you actually care about reaching users/visitors!

    I can't dumb it down much further than that.
     
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  9. tyankee

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    i completely understand where you're coming from now.. I'm a Yankee fan and hate New England. I lived and worked there for 7 years and people there are the rudest in this country that i have ever met. They make New Yorkers look 'sensitive'. I've gotten this particular client ranked in the top 5 for over 20 keywords in a very competitive niche. So perhaps, you don't know all. Yes i know speed is an issue but their old site was twice as slow as this one is now and still got the rankings.. as an 'expert' that you are, you must know not all rankings are to the home page. In fact, most good rankings are of 'inside' pages but still got them ranked for their home page for some of these keywords.. And yes i know this Theme is loaded with overhead but not enough that Google will care at all. This was proven by their old site and by another client's site that is way slower than this one. It's just one of hundreds of ranking factors that change constantly. They have great fresh content and great backlinks. And the Theme is rated 5 stars on Envato with tons of great reviews. You just seem to be an angry New Englander. i get that. i'm sorry you live with horrible weather, rude people, and liberals all over. You obviously haven't learned how to get along with others.
     
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    Guys, don't be so hot-tempered. The truth is that semantics is really of high importance. When I want to save my eyes I get blue light blocking glasses cause I work in front of the screen much time and I think the same can be said about you. Take care of yourselves and don't waste your nerves.
     
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