New Fatwa by Great Saudi Sheikh

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  1. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #41
    Why do Muslims seem to turn to violence and bombing when they disagree with someone? As I said before, I hate nobody and want to bomb nobody.

    Why would you keep suggesting that someone who simply dislikes somebody's belief system bomb them?
     
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  2. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #42
    And why are you suggesting that Muslims "enjoy" bombing other people? As for why I made the remark, the record in Afghanistan and Iraq speaks for itself. As the United States of Israel has proven, if you don't like the leadership, you bomb 'em. You should really take a leaf off that page.
     
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  3. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #43
    I am not suggesting Muslims enjoy bombing, I am suggesting they are prone to violence against those they disagree with based on their religion. I made that remark after you suggested that I bomb someone I disagreed with. Threatening to stone me is just grist for the mill.

    I know I appear powerful but I am just one man, not a country with an army. I do not have any bombs at my disposal.

    I do, on occasion, have discussions with people I disagree with on various issues. But, that has never led to violence. It is amusing now that you have gone off on this violent tangent that you are now trying to project your violent impulses and blame everyone else.
     
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  4. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #44
    You mean the same thing, its just semantics. Why not admit that all that pent-up hatred you have for Islam is just waiting to explode?

    The previous President of your country, the United States of Israel, did this, so I won't be surprised of you were to do the same.

    Give me a break. Trying to pin on me your hatred of Islam is just another diversion of yours. I don't habitually bomb people I despise, so it isn't going to happen. But judging from the various hate-speech remarks you made about Islam (I did a search on you), I wouldn't be surprised if you were to resort to that one day. All that hate isn't healthy for the mind, you know? Just ask Tim McVeigh.
     
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  5. robjones

    robjones Notable Member

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    #45
    Since you're apparently not of a violent nature, care to go on record saying you oppose the death penalty for apostates?
     
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  6. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #46

    Well who said that I agree that the Hadithes you posted are valid about the prophet ? Prove that the prophet said that .
    And That clearly disagrees with laws of Islam , Because in Islam women aren't allowed to show any part of their body to anybody except Husband , So I think situation is clear . Tell me why Azhar refused the Fatwa and said Not true . I guess they know the studies of Hadiths much more than you do .
     
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  7. luke12

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    Cyb3rKing
    I'll refer you to this:

    The Fatwa of an Al-Azhar scholar

    Here is where the head of the Hadith Department in Al-Azhar University, Dr. Izzat Atiyya comes into play. Its worth noting, that the Al-Azhar University in Cairo is considered to be the world´s most renowned Islamic university by all Sunni Muslims.

    Only a few months ago, Dr. Atiyya published a fatwa. According to this verdict the Islamic rules of gender segregation and veiling can be circumvented if a woman suckles a man. Alternatively, a man can also be breast-fed by a sister or the mother of a woman.

    The idea behind this ruling is that there is no law for adoption in many Islamic societies. However, a mother-son-relationship can be established by breast-feeding.

    The scholar of Al-Azhar University explained his ruling in an interview given to Al-Watani Al-Yawm, a weekly newspaper published by Egypt's ruling National Democratic Front party.

    According to this interview it was the prophet himself who confirmed that a man and a woman are allowed to be together in private if the man had been previously breastfed by the woman.

    It must also be noted that Dr. Abd Al-Mahdi Abd Al-Qadir, another Al-Azhar scholar, wrote and published a book rendering similar ideas based on the same Islamic sources.


    Please research your religion. You got the head of Hadith department in the most reputable Islamic University in the world confirming this.

    What is your opinion now? Are you going to continue the ignorance? Please. Be honest with yourself. This is a religion we are talking about.
     
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  8. masterrio

    masterrio Well-Known Member

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    #48
    nice informative article nightcrawlers

    its actually an insane Fatwa by the sheikh, I had heard this one Sheikh was a much better ruler than the earlier ones, but this really shocks and change my view drastically.
    There is no problem if the women shares on her interest/pleasure but forcing some one is really insane.
     
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  9. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #49
    I already read that these scholars were about to get fired from Azhar and the Fatwa refused , so why do you post fake information ?
    and If there's a gay in Azhar that doesn't mean all are .
     
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  10. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #50
    I will do that, if you were to go on the record as well saying that the punishment for treason should be nulled; or that spies working for an enemy state should be allowed to roam free.
     
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  11. luke12

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    #51
    No No. That was not our agreement. You told me to proof it was correct from a reputable place like Al-Azhar. I did.
    Lots of Muslims oppose this but this was confirmed by many sheikhs and Islamic hadith's. The man who confirmed it was not any person. He was the head of the hadith department. Does anyone get that position? I'm not sure about his sexual preference but that has nothing to do with it.

    You asked for a proof. I did give you one. Accept it like a man.
    But let me get to an important point, if all the sheikhs of Al Azhar united and confirmed this all together. What would be your opinion then? Would you do anything about it?
     
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  12. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #52
    lol , I guess I answered you already when I said If there's a gay that doesn't mean all are , They were about to get fired for that Fatwa which the Azhar denied , If one man in Azhar agrees on it and 500 don't then I'll go with the 500.

    For Azhar to agree on it , It's the same as hard as your wife agrees to suckle me so we can stay together alone when you are out :p
     
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  13. luke12

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    #53
    if all the sheikhs of Al Azhar united and confirmed this all together. What would be your opinion then? Would you do anything about it?
     
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  14. Cyb3rKing

    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #54
    I told you this "If" won't happen unless your wife agrees to suckle me so I can stay with her when you are out . And if she agrees , And Azhar does - which is impossible - I wouldn't approve of the Fatwa still . So you won't get to a point with your speech with me .
     
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  15. Ibn Juferi

    Ibn Juferi Prominent Member

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    #55
    Another diversionary tactic from the Islamophobes. Always seeing things in absolute black and white...they don't seem to realise that sometimes grey spots do exist.
     
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  16. luke12

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    #56
    Well..Great! You just made it easy for all of us. This is the classic Islamic logic that you are talking about.

    Conclusion
    You do not need a proof. You just said, even if Al-Azhar confirmed it, then you would not agree with it. Meaning that you're living a blind faith/religion.
     
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    Cyb3rKing Peon

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    #57
    well I didn't say that , I said it's impossible that they'll do - unless your wife agrees that I suckle her - , and if they did then I shouldn't believe them anymore .
    And I don't express Islam , I can express personal acts by a Muslim .
     
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    #58
    Some christians and jews here are behaving hypocritically as usuall.

    Why do you make so much noise when a muslim believe a Hadith that God allowed someone to do something different than the current rules?

    Don't you believe that we all are children of Adam and Eve, peace be upon them? and that means it was lawful for a man to marry his sister according to you faith?

    You will need to abondon your religions first (Be careful, you will go to Hell), then you may attack the muslims.

    But if you are atheist, then you need to depend on a reference or standard for judging what is right and what is wrong, and in that case you would believe in man made Book which you used to insult religious people for (remember!).

    I myself don't have opinion on that hadith, I have a faith that the Goodness is what God loves, and the badness is what God hate, and the neutral is what God neither loves nor hates.
     
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  19. Will.Spencer

    Will.Spencer NetBuilder

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    #59
    Didn't the Egyptian court side with the breast feeders over the University?
     
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  20. Ibn Juferi

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    #60
    As usual, making up stories without facts.
     
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