New CB Product for you to promote!

Discussion in 'ClickBank' started by GeorgR., Oct 25, 2008.

  1. #1
    My new http://www.affiliatesitequick.com/cb.php was just approved.

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    Your ClickBank hoplink to promote is

    hxxp://YOURID.here876.hop.clickbank.net

    Why you might be interested in selling AffiliateSiteQuick?

    ASQ is going on various forums for months and months already, and we have only positive reviews! Sold hundreds and hundreds with a VERY low refund rate. Affiliate Site Quick is VERY easy to use, and the customer gets a professional ebook as well as life-time access to an online interface. The product only costs a fraction of what other similar product cost!

    The target customer is affiliate marketers, anyone interested in affiliate marketing and selling affiliate products, and it is especially valuable for people doing PPC like adwords.

    Paying 60% commission right now, this is $40 right into your pocket with each sale!

    Cheers,

    Georg.
     
    GeorgR., Oct 25, 2008 IP
  2. Ranzuken

    Ranzuken Peon

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    Sounds interesting. I'll give it a try =]
     
    Ranzuken, Oct 25, 2008 IP
  3. Ripped

    Ripped Well-Known Member

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    If I got this right, the software you're providing, does the following:
    Step 1: You Choose the Landing page you've found somewhere
    Step 2: Enter the URL in the software
    Step 3: The Software provides the same landing page but with your affiliate links
    Step 4: Upload it to your site

    Is this what it does? because the video wasn't very coherent.
     
    Ripped, Oct 25, 2008 IP
  4. NCMedia

    NCMedia Well-Known Member

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    Best of luck with this one G. Hope all is well.
     
    NCMedia, Oct 25, 2008 IP
  5. GeorgR.

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    Hi NCMedia,

    long time no see. Yes, everything's ok. And yourself? :)

    Ripped: I think you got it.
    In addition, ASQ provides a variety of ways to do this. ASQ can do a Clickbank TOS-conform "redirect", or it can also use a "more advanced" method where the site always stays on your URL.
    IF you redirect, there is always a "real" site underneath (so its NOT only a redirect on an "empty site"!)...you could also specify a time limit when the redirect happens ...or let it redirect once someone clicks on the site. (Or clicks away the banner)

    The tool is very easy to use, it's an online interface, so also people with a MAC can use it .) Very low maintenance and support on my site (thanks god!) and very few returns. I am glad i got accepted into ClickBank and i think it should sell well. I am doing major PR right now, so get in and let's sell this :)
     
    GeorgR., Oct 25, 2008 IP
  6. webtarded

    webtarded Peon

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    Help me out, I'm a little slow and can't quite understand the details of this. This program lets you steal someone else's content / website and use it as your own with your own affiliate links? Or am i missing something? Because on your wso over on the warrior forum says this:

    The old name was AFFILIATE HIJACKER

    Hijack is defined as:

    1. to steal (cargo) from a truck or other vehicle after forcing it to stop: to hijack a load of whiskey.
    2. to rob (a vehicle) after forcing it to stop: They hijacked the truck before it entered the city.
    3. to seize (a vehicle) by force or threat of force.
    4. to skyjack.
    –verb (used without object)
    5. to engage in such stealing or seizing.

    From that definition, we can see that hijack means to steal or otherwise acquire by nefarious methods. You're not promoting a product that promotes stealing are you? Because that would be wrong wouldn't it?

    I can't imagine all these affiliates here would want someone stealing...err...cloning their landing pages, which incidentally are often linked in their signatures on this very forum. Because if someone that was unscrupulous happened to have this program, visit this forum, and look at some of the posters links, they could steal...errr...clone their landing pages in less than 60 seconds! That's just crazy isn't it! All their hard work is stolen and making money for someone else in 60 or less seconds. That's just CRAZY! :D



    So to reiterate, you buy the program, steal some other affiliates content and hard work, and then clone their site? I guess I'm having a hard time understanding how you consider this ethical. If that's your view, i think i'll buy your product, rename it, and then promote it as a free giveaway. You'd be okay with that right? I mean I'd basically be just cloning your program/content/hard work like your program does with other affiliates right? Don't worry though, it won't be totally identical, I'll add an article or a shiny graphic to differentiate it and make it better. No harm no foul!

    ;)
     
    webtarded, Oct 26, 2008 IP
  7. visit_faraz

    visit_faraz Active Member

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    ah, yes. I have used affiliate hijacker too.
    quite good.
     
    visit_faraz, Oct 26, 2008 IP
  8. Ripped

    Ripped Well-Known Member

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    #8
    Don't mean to be negative, however, You're charging 67$ for a program which just takes another site and replaces the link.

    I can just save the site with firefox (it saves the whole web page including images), open the html file in notepad, and replace the links. Even a novice can do that. And It will take me less than 2 minutes to do this.
     
    Ripped, Oct 26, 2008 IP
  9. GeorgR.

    GeorgR. Peon

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    webtard: I am getting tired of the endless discussion about "ethics" here, i had them enough either here or over on W. The point is, ASQ is as ethical as you make it. I sold MANY (almost 1000) of it already and never had a problem with vendors complaining about affiliates using their design.

    Especially on affiliate programs like clickbank, CJ etc....every vendor usually welcomes affiliates selling their product, and many vendors even supply their own promo material for affiliates to use, like banners etc.

    Furthermore, if it were so "unethical" as you think i would've never been approved at Clickbank. You know how strict their policies are?

    Also..you are free to ask any vendor for permission before you do it. It's a win-win for you AND the vendor.

    Maybe one year ago i remember i asked some CB vendors here on the forum what they would say if anyone would sell their products as an affiliate this way...and all of them told me they would be fine with it. I actually DO promote some DP users CB products on my sites (which i made with ASQ of course) and i have never anyone seen complain :) In case of Clickbank, remember that a hop-link goes to a dedicated page intended for affilates, intended for them to sell via the hoplink/design as landing page.
    HOWEVER, i agree it might be a different story if i were to clone any other page, and even worse, if i were to re-sell such a site without asking.


    Ripped,

    ASQ does much, much more. And if you use FireFox and "save the html" you are indeed stealing.

    ASQ has an editor, the system was developed with SEO/Google in mind. You can add content into a "banner", you can add links and sitemaps and articles, and whatever you add in the banner becomes real content for the site and searchengines pick this up ---> SEO

    Furthermore, ASQ in V1 has an advanced "cookie stuffer" integrated, your afflinks are encoded too. So its also a link-cloaker, just as one side-effect. ASQ in its early days started as a link-cloaker...but many features have been added since then. (Also, from a legal point of view, as said, saving 3rd party content to your own web site/host might get you in trouble, while ASQ more works like an "advanced" redirect since nothing is saved or stored.
     
    GeorgR., Oct 26, 2008 IP
  10. Ganceann

    Ganceann Peon

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    #10
    It really doesn't make sense that CB would approve the product... considering they banned someone for cookie stuffing... I just can't see why they approved it, but actively ban people for cookie stuffing?

    It is also on very shaky legal grounds when it comes to copyright laws and digital rights etc.

    Who is liable for any infringements?
    - you (as product creator)?
    - your customers?

    What happens about search engines and duplicate content?
     
    Ganceann, Oct 26, 2008 IP
  11. GeorgR.

    GeorgR. Peon

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    #11
    i said you can use ASQ for cookie stuffing, but you don't have too.

    Actually, the default settings of ASQ were developed with exactly the ClickBank TOS in mind, because i had some customers asking for 100% Clickbank TOS conform hoplink operation. This is the default setting, 100% conform to Clickbank.

    Dupe Content penalty doesnt itch someone who needs a landing page for PPC. If you dont want dupes, then you go and design a page from scratch (using a HTML editor) - ASQ is a total different tool, its not a web site developing software.

    However, i have seen situations where an ASQ generated site actually outranked the original site on google (lol)..i guess the affiliate did a lot of SEO for his generated site :)

    I can tell you that 99,99% of all vendors on Clickbank will never ever come up with your assumed problems about "stealing their design" or "copyright"...why then would vendors put their products on CB available for affiliates in the first place? If you sell a product the vendor gets his share and you get your commission.

    Do you seriously think that the clickbank vendors care whether a hop/affiliate link goes to their site (URL changes, browser goes to their site)..or whether it actually stays on the originating URL, or whether it actually DOES go to the vendors page (hidden, in a frame) but STILL merely "displays" the first URL so it *looks* like the site is actually on the first URL (while in reality the browser frame IS on the vendor site) Etc..etc...you get the idea. From that point of view every "frame redirect" is supposed to be "on shaky grounds" also. (And many affiliates actually use frame/iframe methods to have their links hidden, you would need to "ban" every affiliate who uses any method of link cloaking/hiding and the vendors would be out of business, seriously...
     
    GeorgR., Oct 27, 2008 IP
  12. Ganceann

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    I was more concerned about affiliates having their information ripped off by unscruplous users of your system... so it is the same point webtarded brought up...

    I guess he is saying you don't mind if people rebrand your script and call it their own... because that is what your script does to other affiliates work.

    I will ask the question again... who is legally responsible when it comes to a lawsuit for someone using your script?

    Who is liable for any infringements?
    - you (as product creator)?
    - your customers?
     
    Ganceann, Oct 27, 2008 IP
  13. GeorgR.

    GeorgR. Peon

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    #13
    you are comparing apples with pears.

    It's a long way from promoting someones pitch-page on clickbank.....compared to stealing someone's work and selling it as your own. You are aware that the methods used with the tool actually help sales, right?

    Of course its up to the customer to use the tool responsibly...why should i (as creator) be reliable if someone would clone, say, google or yahoo and would sell it as "new search engine" on ebay? :)
     
    GeorgR., Oct 27, 2008 IP
  14. Ganceann

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    Apples and Oranges is the way you see it... but for lawyers it is still copyright theft.

    You should also have a legal disclaimer on your site about how people use the product... I didn't see a legal disclaimer and therefore it means you are responsible as product creator.
     
    Ganceann, Oct 27, 2008 IP
  15. GeorgR.

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    #15
    I would be very pleased to have an in-depth conversation with a lawyer, going into details about link-cloaking/URL redirects, iframes. And give him a round-up about all those methods currently used until his head explodes.

    The truth is that any lawyer will have NO substance whatsoever in this case, he would have the same substance and reasons to bring against countless of current web site owners using redirects or iframes or any affiliate link hider/cloaker.

    I try to explain it to you: It all comes down to a very little and simple "effect" - and this seriously cannot decide whether its "copyright theft" (or with your words "stealing") or not.
    This little factor is whether the browser address bar changes to the vendor's URL - or not.

    So..i can use any of the methods where i click on an (hidden) affiliate link, the user doesnt see the affiliateID. Then the browser redirects to the vendor page.

    Now the little "difference": I could do the exact same thing except that a "trick" is used so the browser URL does not change. This makes it "copyright theft"?


    -
    here is another TYPICAL example, i just picked this out with a random google search:

    You see a site using a very common method, the "recommends" redirect method.

    Random site (not mine)

    http://www.cyberagora.com/recommends/srzone.html

    You will see that the link actually goes/redirects to the vendor page. HOWEVER, the site in question is indeed accessible on the net under http://www.cyberagora.com/recommends/srzone.html

    So..does this make the owner of the site a "copyright thief" since going on HIS site you actually get to the vendor site? He could also use HIS URL in, whatever way....but noone in their right minds with HALFWAY a technical knowledge would assume copyright infringement.

    So..should all affiliates and site owners now start adding disclaimers making it "clear" that the site in question is not their own site?

    Does the "little" difference of what stays in the browser bar decide over "copyright infringement" or not?

    You see it comes down to very specific technical questions...maybe i do have the same "substance" defending my methods as a lawyer would have substance to actually see alleged "copyright infringement".

    HOWEVER - i am not all that dumb, i see your point very well and i (as a marketer wanting to sell my product) also have to see the customer's side of view, respective avoid "confusion" before-hand since it could hurt business. I cannot demand (and dont expect!) each customer, each affiliate and each vendor knows the in and outs, now from a technical point of view.

    That is the reason i will add a feature to ASQ adding a line to each "generated" site stating the original URL, some kind of disclaimer which *hopefully* sheds some more light. Something like "This is an affiliate site for the original vendor site http://www.xxxx.yyy" - to make things more clear. Still have to think about the wording and then i have to implement the code.
     
    GeorgR., Oct 27, 2008 IP
  16. Ganceann

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    I will outline what I mean as I don't think you understand what I mean...

    Ripped wrote:

    Your reply:

    Now explain to me how using someone elses landing page and simply altering the affiliate link is not copyright infringement?

    I will include a definition of copyright infringement (maybe it will help you to see where I am coming from)...

    *** Bear in mind it may not happen due to affiliates not registering their works, but in theory your script will primarily be used to facilitate copyright theft/infringement/violations should affiliates register any works.

    edit: I am not saying link-cloaking/url redirects have anything to do with the issue at all, it is actually physically passing off someone elses work as your own is the point I was trying to make... which your script basically does as you confirmed it when replying to Ripped.

    That point would be argued over in court... especially when it came to branding, trademarks and various "corporate" strategies. In essence, the domain it is displayed on could very well constitute "copyright infringement"

    2nd Edit:

    I am not knocking the product... just the idea that many people will abuse it. CB publishers are not going to register landing pages as copyrighted works (as they want affiliates to use the material). I am looking beyond affiliate marketing and basically trying to advise you to make sure you are 100% covered from all angles when it comes to people using your script for their own ends... think phishing and other evil deeds that your script could help make it much easier for people to achieve their objective etc.
     
    Ganceann, Oct 27, 2008 IP
  17. GeorgR.

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    Added on my site:


    Disclaimer of Liability: www.affiliatesitequick.com, the creator and all subsidiaries or representatives or affiliates of www.affiliatesitequick.com do not claim a guarantee of any protection against copyright infringement through the use of Affiliate Site Quick. It is assumed that the affiliate will take sole responsibility for their own actions and will make their own judgment call towards the use of any copyrighted material. It is up to the affiliate to determine whether or not they should contact the vendor before showing any variation of the vendor's sales page or web site on the affiliate's site.

    >>
    I am not knocking the product... just the idea that many people will abuse it. CB publishers are not going to register landing pages as copyrighted works (as they want affiliates to use the material). I am looking beyond affiliate marketing and basically trying to advise you to make sure you are 100% covered from all angles when it comes to people using your script for their own ends... think phishing and other evil deeds that your script could help make it much easier for people to achieve their objective etc.
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    Well as you see i added a disclaimer of Liabilty. You are right with the CB publishers, and ClickBank (respective other affiliate programs) are actually the MAIN area where ASQ is used. You say "you look beyond"...and i am aware that there are ways and methods to "abuse", of course i do not endorse them. I added the disclaimer on the pitch page making this clear. As said, having sold hundreds and hundreds already i never heard of an affiliate running into any trouble, and what goes beyond THIS use is solely the customers responsibility. Plain and simple.
     
    GeorgR., Oct 27, 2008 IP