New Adsense PPA User - First Impressions

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  1. #1
    I was accepted last night. I tried it but it didn't work. But it was late, and I was tired.
    This morning, everything worked perfectly.

    First impression - Overall, it looks good.
    Issues-
    1. The earnings report lists results by ADVERTISER - it does NOT show the impressions - just clicks. But the CTR is given, so you can compute the number of impressions that occurred. NOR does it show your channels.

    2. Because of the above, the first thing I had to do was create an Excel spreadsheet with all the data in one place, so I would not lose my mind. The columns -
    Webpage - Channel Name - Advertiser 1 - Action - Payment
    Webpage - Channel Name - Advertiser 2 - Action - Payment
    Webpage - Channel Name - Advertiser 3 - Action - Payment
    etc., etc.

    2. Some advertisers put "n/a" for Action, and $0.00 for payment.
    --- a. How can they be allowed to do this?
    --- b. Am I an idiot to put them on my page? (the only ad that was close)
    Should I take it off until they SPECIFY SOMETHING?
    This problem should go away quickly, just as soon as there is an alternatate Advertiser who DOES provide an action, and a payment amount.

    3. On just one page, the ad I selected was NOT shown, but TWO other ads were "selected" for me - is this a beta glitch? This is not good. What happened to the ad I selected?

    More later. This is fun - something new!
    .
     
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  2. FanAddict

    FanAddict Notable Member

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    Hmm interesting info there :)

    Any idea why you were approved? I signed up early last week and never heard anything back.... they don't show any "guidelines" for this beta testing :(
     
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  3. Surf_Dude

    Surf_Dude Peon

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    Sorry, I really don't know.
    Maybe because they noticed that I do this stuff all day long, every day.
    Because of this, maybe they figured I would do something with it. They were right.
    I will be all over this, to try to increase my income. Sure hope it works.

    Whoops. Forgot one thing.
    I could not remove advertisers from my "Shopping Cart", which drove me nuts.
    Then I figured it out. For your next PPA ad selection, just START OVER from "Products". Works fine.
     
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    Adpubster Peon

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    Thanks for the report, I was just accepted about an hour ago but still haven't put anything on the page since I'm still going through things at the moment.
     
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    baumann93 Peon

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    Folks, I am sorry for a silly question, but where do you sign up for this?
    Thanks.
     
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  6. Surf_Dude

    Surf_Dude Peon

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    For the AdSense side - http://www.google.com/ads/adsense/referrals/index.html

    For the AdWords side - http://adwords.blogspot.com/2007/03/pay-per-action-beta-test.html

    I just noticed that I am acquiring clicks from the ad that does NOT specify Action or Payment.
    If it ends up paying 2 cents, I will become EXTREMELY verbal. Stay tuned.

    Do as I say, not as I do.
    DO NOT select ANY ADVERTISER who REFUSES to state what the ACTION is, and the PAYMENT.
    I really don't think that blind trust for an implied token morsel is the way to go, here.
     
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    baumann93 Peon

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  8. Surf_Dude

    Surf_Dude Peon

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    #8
    You are welcome.

    Not sure, but less than a week.

    Am I am idiot? YES, IN SPADES.
    That advertiser is LONG GONE. How stupid can I be.
    I checked out the product - new age hocus-pocus looney product. This DOUBLES my stupidity, by not checking first.
    I was just so d@mned anxious to get going.

    "Here are 2,000 targeted impressions for you every day, Mr. PPA Spammer, and you don't have to pay me ANYTHING!"
    Freakazoid nut, that's what I am.
    I read a post on a marketing forum where the CPM boys are sneaking in their ads, and specifying NO PAYMENT.
    Google. Please fix this now. Pure BS.
    How can you let people in, who SPECIFY NOTHING! Ain't gonna work for me.
    There are enough pitfalls without one of them being, "We promise to pay you nothing."
     
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    Surf_Dude Peon

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    #9
    I have summarized my thoughts regarding PPA, vs CPM and CPC, Advantages and Disadvantages of each, for both the Advertiser and the Publisher, in a one screen chart -
    http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/internet/internet-ad-networks.htm#pros

    Agree or disagree?
    What should be added? Changed?

    Thank you.

    <edit>
    I just found this -
    "Purchase/Sale $14.62
    Whenever someone fills out the contact form to get free information shipped to them, it counts as a lead."

    Is that ambiguous enough? You get PAID for a SALE.
    "Whenever someone FILLS OUT the CONTACT FORM to get free information shipped to them, it counts as a LEAD."

    Does the "lead" constitute an "action"? What is a "lead" worth?
    If it is worth nothing, why mention it in such a manner?
    How do we know when there is a sale?
    Tracking these things was thought to be the #1 problem, but the real problem, initially anyway, seems to be DEFINING the ACTION, and specifying the PAYMENT. ACTION=PAYMENT. Then we can do Step 2, whatever that might be. First things first. I'm sorry, I got carried away, as usual.</edit>
     
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  10. Tearabite

    Tearabite Prominent Member

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    #10
    I signed up a few weeks ago. I never got an email, but after reading this thread I checked in the referrals section of my Adsense setup, and all the PPA items are there!
    If you signed up, check your referrals section - you might have a pleasant surprise.
     
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    Thanks for the updates. How are your earnings for the PPA compared to PPC?
     
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    Wow you are right! I have all the referrals there too!
     
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    Surf_Dude Peon

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    #13
    Zero samoleans, so far. Zilch lettuce.
    But a PPA program has a longer "completion cycle" that CPM and CPC don't have.
    I don't expect anything for days. We'll see.

    Excellent point and mention, Tearabite.
    I understand that this has snuck up on quite a few folks -
    Especially if you don't check your email very often, like me.
    I had the PPA option enabled before I found out about it from the welcoming email.

    Tearabite and PoemofQuotes are right - CHECK your email, and CHECK your REFERRALS product button, right under the Adsense for search button. You too, may have a fun surprise waiting for you, if you have applied within the past week.
     
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  14. Tearabite

    Tearabite Prominent Member

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    You're welcome: Green reps will be accepted :D

    Is it just me, or are there not many referrals to choose from?
     
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    It's not just you! I posted the same thing in one of the other threads that's starting to pop up about this. You're alright if you've got mortgage, finance, loans, insurance etc as your topic, but I don't so I'm on hold a bit.
     
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  16. Surf_Dude

    Surf_Dude Peon

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    #16
    I'd love to see just one ad for cholesterol reduction.
    And blood pressure reduction.
    And pain relief.

    This is really new, but is weighted toward the advertiser, risk-reduction wise.
    I predict we will be swimming in new PPA ads within the month.
    This is a no-brainer for advertisers, IMHO.

    Advantages for the Advertiser:
    1. Risk is shifted to the publisher
    2. Pay only for performance
    3. Receives exposure even without clicks
    4. Some look at it as "Free CPM ads" - and, some CPA ads are specifically designed NOT to convert
    5. NOT required to specify action and payment (currently)
    6. No consequences for "forgeting" to report a completed action.
     
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    Yeah, definitely a low amount to choose from. I'm still going to give it a shot. Give them about 2/5ths traffic to see what happens.
     
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    Okay, here's the procedure for seeing which MFAs are using PPA:

    Action: Click on one of MY ads
    Payment: Squat

    :)
     
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    CraigslistGuy Banned

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    Looks like a lot of stuff will have to be ironed out by Google concerning the PPA. I am sure they are receiving a lot of feedback now to make amends.
     
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    Yeah it's a good starting effort from them. I could see this really ballooning and complementing the content advertising well.
     
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