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  1. yebel89@gmail.com

    yebel89@gmail.com Active Member

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    #21
    Since when do $100 adsense sites get 25 months worth of revenue:confused:

    $1,300 is a very fair bid for a starting price (if not more than that)
     
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  2. costa580

    costa580 Peon

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    #22
    I sold a single AdSense site for more than that once. It ranked #1 in Google for a term with fair traffic. But the clicks were only worth .30-.50 each.

    On these sites, the CPC is much higher, and I sometimes receive up to $3 profit on a click. I encourage you to do some of the Adwords research yourself.

    Plus, since this is a network of sites, each of which has an easy to use backend, and the package also includes some relevant PR4 support sites to help with rankings, it is worth more than the average spammy, half put together AdSense site.
     
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  3. costa580

    costa580 Peon

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    #23
    I've been distracted with some other things and haven't updated the thread. But looking to go ahead and sell these.

    Total earnings from April 1, 2009 - October 11, 2009: $726.46. Daily averages since the original post have been consistent.

    Asking $2400 for all the sites (both money sites and the feeder sites, which include some PR4s), plus the Photoshop template and HTML/CSS templates, as well as the PHP backend which can be used to easily manage the listings if you want to. Willing to use escrow.com and we can split escrow fees.
     
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  4. benitez17

    benitez17 Active Member

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    #24
    I still don't see why these sites deserve the premium you are putting on them, and I don't think anyone else does either, which is why they haven't sold yet.

    Just because someone overpaid for one site that you sold in the past doesn't mean that you can sell every site based on that valuation. Also, 10 sites that make the same amount of money as a single site aren't worth any more together than the single site. If anything, they are worth less, because you have 9 more domain renewal fees to pay for and 9 more sites to maintain.

    Finally, it will take a fair amount of work to follow your suggestions to increase the revenue for the network, so it's not really fair for you to include that revenue in your valuation.
     
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  5. costa580

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    #25
    Thanks for your post.

    $2400 is roughly 18 months projected earnings. Not sure how high or low that is. I can see someone selling for 12 months, but if someone is willing to sell for less than that, it would be a red flag to me - I may be different.

    Also, there are not 10 sites making money - there are 6 running AdSense. But an alternative to the "one big site" is to have smaller ones and hedge your bets, in case one or more of the sites loses organic search ranking. Frankly, I'd rather be invested in a decent network than one big site that could lose 50% revenue because Google arbitrarily moves it down 1 slot for some keyword. So I see your argument, but I think you're missing the other side of the picture.

    I also agree that it would take work to realize the full revenue potential of these sites - however, I want to emphasize the fact that I am selling more than sites, it is a system which includes Photoshop and HTML/CSS templates plus a PHP/SQL backend. Very easy to use and you can literally create new sites within an hour, if not less.
     
    costa580, Oct 12, 2009 IP
  6. benitez17

    benitez17 Active Member

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    #26
    If my math is right, the sites are making about $115 per month based on your earnings from April 1 - Oct. 11. $2400/$115 = a little under 21 months, not 18 months.

    People sell sites for less than 12 months revenue all the time, so I don't know why you assume that every site sold at that multiple is one with a problem. Your group of sites is probably worth more than average because of their PR, their age, and the fact that they don't require much upkeep, but the fact that you immediately reject any opening bid that isn't at your rather ambitious BIN price marks you as someone who could be difficult to work with.

    Also, your site layout and design isn't anything special, and your system seems to be just buying more domains in the same niche and then doing hours and hours of work to collect and enter all the storage businesses in the area for the site, so it doesn't have any great value either. If that's not the case, please clarify.
     
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  7. costa580

    costa580 Peon

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    #27
    For valuation I was looking at the average over the last 120 days (including today), which is $4.09 (lower earnings from before are a little misleading, the sites weren't ranking well then). This equals out to roughly $2240 over the next 18 months. So I did misstate/overshoot there.

    Regarding the work, there is an automated process that actually makes it very easy. For each site, I used a script called YP Scraper that scrapes yellowpages.com listings and exports the data to CSV or SQL dumps. Then that file can be imported into a new site's SQL database, and you have hundreds of listings within a few minutes.

    I can work with you on price, and get into further detail, if you are interested.
     
    costa580, Oct 13, 2009 IP
  8. benitez17

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    #28
    Do the sites come with a YP Scraper license? If it's the one I found that is $29, it's not really an issue.
     
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  9. costa580

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    #29
    I do have a copy I can provide, yes.
     
    costa580, Oct 14, 2009 IP