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  1. claycomm

    claycomm Peon

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    #121
    LOL - wow, my thread has turned into a conspiricy theory... cool. It always happens I guess after 500 posts.

    Furio, I have given ALL the answers throughout this thread but I feel no obligation to answer your question after the way you pose them to me. Hey, if nobody else wants to order thats fine by me - I have a nice network of sites that make some good money and I'm happy.

    Pls, anyone contemplating an order that has the slightest doubt in what I am selling - STAY AWAY... How's that Furio.

    Bottom line mate, I knwo what I'm selling and it works, but please feel free to raise as many queries as you like about my service and me and whatever else will fill your time :)
     
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    claycomm Peon

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    #122
     
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    claycomm Peon

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    #123
    I edited the post becuase I started my answer in a loud tone and decided to remove it as I woudl have been perceived as angry at your question which woudl be wrong - you are allowed to ask whatever you like.


     
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  4. claycomm

    claycomm Peon

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    #124
    Furio, honestly mate, I think you're watching to much national geographic (no pun intended honestly). When you ahve a crew of people you are paying by the hour then you'll know why the majority of us need work to keep them going and keep them paid.

    yes, this is not my "main" job, I dont have a "main" job and none of you should - you shoudl have different streams coming in so when one of them goes tits up it wont break the bank.

    at the moment what I am focussing on is moving away from adsense and trying different affiliate programs instead. Im finding the revenue is much better - less frequent but much better when compared to adsense CPC.
     
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  5. claycomm

    claycomm Peon

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    #125
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    claycomm Peon

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    #126
    Furio, I've been boiling over your comments, and they have irritated me. I do not like being associated with anything unsavory, so to hopefully satisfy your queries I will attempt to answer you questions.


    Let's use an example of an eBay phone scammer. (I am not calling you a scammer but using this as an example of logic). He tells you he can get the latest phone that he can sell on ebay for a selling price of £500. He then tells you he can sell them to you for £250 each if you buy 20 phones. You then ask him why he sells these phones to you for 50% when he could just sell them himself and make more money. He then tells you that he buys in bulk and gets them cheap for £150 each direct from the Nokia manufacturers and so he still makes £100 per phone but it means he doesnt have to waste his time listing them on eBay and sending one phone at a time.


    Ironically I fell for this scam on a plasma tv once! :) see, I'm not so bright after all lol


    now you see, with this example, the seller has a reason for such a low price and it is easy to believe. However with you, you are selling something that makes you less money for more work. There is no logic to your offering.

    I would really appreciate you answering this concern as logically, this looks like a scam if no good explanation is given. I would also ask anyone who is buying this, bought this, or looking to buy this to think about it. If you found something that could make you $900k a year (at $10 profit per site per year which is 1/5th of what you claim), then would you really sell it for $100k? and put in more work than you would need to if you ran it yourself? I know I wouldnt. You are not doing this to "help others out" as you claimed that you are doing this to cover the cost of your staff when not doing things for you. So why hire more people?

    The simple logic behind the way I see this is that I started building sites a while ago and had 3 people helping me out. I noticed a while after that although my sites where pumping out I still had free capacity on my hands - it was then that I started the thread to sell the extra capacity, what happened then )that I was not prepared for) was the sheer volume of sales that poured in. In many PM conversations, a lot of my buyers were telling me that they were doing this style of mass building themesleves but could not find enough time to keep it constant and that my service was the perfect solution to their needs.

    Sure I make a profit, god forbid I didnt, does anyone go to work for no pay? I think your approach to critizing my earnings is not justified. I started this little sideline to fill my extra capacity and to fund my own site building - Is that so bad?

    As I said throughout the thread, you, me and anyone can do this for themselves without my help - there are massesof programs that can build sites quickly froma pre-built template, RSS Evolution for one of them (Free tip)... thing is Furio, try building 1000 sites yourself, it's childsplay BUT it will take a lot of time if you do it yourself. On average you will pop out a site per 8 minutes, now if you're happy doing it yourself, please feel free to do so, I think we are all agreeing that to make a site that earns 12 cents a day is not feat of engineering - its a peice o' piss.

    Again, and I'll repeat this till im blue in the face, ALL I'm offering is a simple mass building service to people that DO NOT HAVE THE TIME to sit in front of a computer building sites 24/7.

    Yes my crew has grown quite a bit now, but that is simply because of the demand I have had, people are ready to pay me to do this service - what on earth am I doing wrong? To be totally honest I fear anytime someone posts in my thread becuase it bumps to the top and I get a stream of new orders and although the money is good, I don't really need it.

    Now I agree, ANY business model can be looked at and compared or conotated to a scam - take our blessed Banks for one...

    Furio, I'm sorry I came across as rude in my replies to you, I shoudl not have done that - you were asking a question and it was my duty to reply, but I just got so annoyed answering the same thing over and over, but again, my apologies, as a seller I'm not allowed the privelage to becomming bored, I must tend to every questions that is asked no matter how many times its asked.

    I hope I've addressed all the points mate, if there's anything esle I'll do my best to answer it also.

    rgds
    Clay


    Again like I said. I am not trying to damage this sale, and I am not looking to brand you as a scammer. Like I stated, i may be very interested. However with this illogical issue, it would be very hard for me to comit. And it should be very hard for anyone to commit to this based on the irrational thinking behind this.

    If you do not want to answer this on the thread, feel free to PM me.

    All the best matey[/QUOTE]
     
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  7. Furio

    Furio Peon

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    #127
    See mate. This is all I wanted to hear. "to fund my own site building"

    This then makes this once illogical idea seem very real. I have not called you a scammer but was just comparing the idea of self gain to it as this idea had none. You said you got conned via a plasma, and you will know first hand (as I do from the phone scam), that there is a reason why people sell cheap to make you believe it. You just didnt explaine why you were selling instead of keeping other than spare capacity which would not explaine hiring extra staff. You have now explained why you are willing to do this so cheap and it is so you can fund your own sites. Maybe you posted this in one your 2 threads but I must have missed it.

    Don't worry about sounding rude. When someont points a hole, mistake, critisism of anything human reactions tend to lead to an angry reaction. Nothing ment by it. (i hope :-p)

    Well you have regained my trust and in the next week or so I should be placing an order.

    All the best mate
     
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  8. claycomm

    claycomm Peon

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    #128
    Hi Furio,

    my apologies, if I knew the matter was so simple I would have emphasized the point, but yes, my aim is to finance my network by having my crew salaries paid through this contracting work. (although I confess time is now the problem!! :) ). I am making a split here between putting out competing sites to my own network and having free labor - but I honestly belive that there are so many niches out there that none of us are competing with each other.

    I owe you a beer :)
     
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    #129
    claycomm.... ok, that really clears it up. And for the record, I was NOT calling you a scammer. Thanks for the clarification. I, too, will be placing an order later in the week.
     
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    #130
    People, are you aware of how much it will cost you to renew your .info domain next year???
    Would like to see some sites, please???

    cw
     
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  11. Furio

    Furio Peon

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    #131
    If people make as much as it says you can make, then that should not be an issue.
     
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    #132
    Can you PM me pricing for 1000 sites please.

    As far as this 'why would you sell if it's so profitable issue', it's clear that these type of sites have more risk involved with them than a bricks and mortar business. If 3 months down the line google stop sending you traffic, then your site is worthless. Similarly, the barriers to entry in this business are much lower than in other businesses, which is why MFA only sell for a multiple of monthly income.

    In my opinion the low cost of these sites reflects the risks involved (and you need to understand the risks) coupled with the potential of getting a great ROI.

    While I also am naturally suspicious when i feel myself thinking 'if it seems to good to be true', I don't feel this opportunity falls into that category, because it's not a free bet there are risks. I think there is a very good argument for being involved in the ownership and development of these kind of sites - spreads your risk.
     
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    #133
    Claycomm,

    I would like to know an honest thing... When you said 48$ in your previous thread as the average earning per website per year... is the average based on a year (actually recorded over a period of a year) or is it an approximate that you have made based on a few months income...

    The reason I ask this is quite simple... I know how the websites are built and unless you were an early adopter of the product used it would have been less than a year since the first websites was made...

    though ofcourse... I could be wrong...

    thanks for the info in advance...

    Cheers!!!
     
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    claycomm Peon

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    #134
    Thanks for your input - Pls remember there is work involved with these sites, I mean researching which programs to promote (if you go donw the affiliate road) is already a full time job :) - adsense has been an easy way around that problem but I am finding that affiliate programs are paying much more - lets not forget that the ads we are generating for adsense advertisers are eventually turing into sales somewhere down the road - so if we can bypass the middleman, we also make his cut :)
     
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    claycomm Peon

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    #136
    5500 sites = 5500 domains

    5500 * $8 = $44,000(lets asume that you have a big discount from registrar)

    so, you should deduct $8 from every domain yearly rev.

    in your first topic you mentioned that every site earn $1 per month.
    so, real income is:
    $4 per site per year.

    so, bad business.
     
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    #137
    Hmc - all the sites are on .info domains, which can be bought for a buck each
     
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    #138
    hmc, before you say "bad business" why do't you update yourslef - a domain is 88cents not $8!!!

    Clearly your math needs some looking into my friend - the sites make $4 on average PER MONTH - i.e. $48 per year - so if if your erraneous domain cost where true you you would still make a profit that is in the 500% range - show me a stock market that can do that... :)


     
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    #139
    interested in the similar deal if this one is closed by now.please pm me with sample links and domain/hosting info.
    Thaks!
    GP
     
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    #140
    claycomm, Apr 25, 2007 IP