Neocon Karl Rove flees country and Congressional subpoena

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by guerilla, Jul 13, 2008.

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    http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/91181/
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpYWf5HAjLw

    Rove has been playing the game all of the executive neocons have. They claim they are not accountable to Congress because they have executive immunity. In simple language, they believe that the office of the President is higher than the Congress, which in my opinion, clearly violates the principles of the separation of powers, as well as a system of checks and balances.

    :)
     
    guerilla, Jul 13, 2008 IP
  2. TechEvangelist

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    There isn't any real systems of checks and balances. If there was such a system, the president would be able to launch investigations of members of Congress.

    This subpoena is driven strictly by partisan politics. It's a one-way street, which means there is no balance.

    This is just another shallow attempt to railroad members of the Bush administration, just like they did to Scooter Libby. It was proven that Scooter Libby was not the one who leaked the Valerie Flame info, but that didn't matter to the DemoRats. They never went after the real source of the leak because it didn't further their partisan agenda. Furthermore, even if he did leak the info, no laws were broken, yet he was convicted.

    I don't blame Rove for not showing up and it is clear to me why Congress's poll numbers are consistently lower than Bush's numbers. They are chasing farts rather than doing things that have some benefit for the country.
     
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    If Scooter didn't break any laws, then what was he convicted of?

     
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    Since the Dems won't impeach Bush, I don't think you have much of a case here. Did you see the hostile testimony of David Addington and John Yoo? Who exactly do these guys think they are?

    Outing an undercover agent is treason. Treason. There was a serious crime here, we can agree that it was not taken to it's proper conclusion.

    As far as Scooter, he's just one of many who should have been tried, including Cheney.

    I see. Rove should be able to ignore subpoenas because Congress has a low approval rating. Since Bush is polling all time low for a President, maybe the troops would be justified to desert in the field?

    I'm not partisan at all, and it's sad to see people make every excuse in the book for Obama, or for the executive branch, by blaming the other party as not having sincere objectives and interests.

    One day, you'll realize that McCain was nearly a "DemoRat" and the "DemoRats" have been funding your Republican war without much hassle, which has cost them their approval rating.

    And then maybe, you'll see it's all just a big two party, mono party scam.

    Boy is it gunna be fun if Obama gets in and he keeps on war mongering. What will all of the closet racist GOPers criticize about a guy who continues on Bush's worst (but in their eyes, beloved) policies?
     
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    On a side note, there was another vote on DK's impeachment of Bush and it got the majority vote (210 - 180 I think)

    Heard it on GCN but struggling to find an article for it on Google News. :(
     
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    Is this it?

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iE21FOVAfMfEbAE5LDwiYm8fGh4QD91UJD6O1

     
    panama, Jul 16, 2008 IP
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  8. TechEvangelist

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    You need to do some homework. You cannot believe everything you hear on ABC, NBC and CNN.

    There was no crime. Scooter Libby was never tried for treason nor for the leak. Valerie Plame was not an active undercover agent and had not been one for several years. You have to be an active agent for the law to apply. Working for the CIA does not qualify you as an undercover agent. That is a special status. The people who wrote the original law testified that no law was broken. But it was a mute point. Scooter Libby was never tried for treason or for outing an undercover agent.

    Scooter Libby was tried and convicted of Obstruction of Justice and Perjury. Basically, he didn't give the prosecutor and the Grand Jury the information they wanted to go after Cheney. The testimonies were based on circumstantial evidence. There was no hard evidence other than a few partisan testimonies from people with vague recollections. Tim Russet's testimony was a key piece of evidence because it conflicted with Libby's recollection of their conversation.

    This was the one of the worst cases of a kangaroo court in the history of the USA. It was nothing more than a witch hunt.

    Richard Armitage admitted to the leak, but was never tried or even threatened with prosecution. Why? Because no law was broken and Armitage was no longer a member of Bush's team. The prosecutor was dead set on convicting a current member of the Bush gang.

    Armitage Leak

    I don't know who wrote this, but it is one of the best detailed summaries of the issues. Read it thoroughly. You will clearly see the partisan political connections of Wilson and Plame.

    The Wilson-Plame-Novak-Rove Blame Game

    The reason why no one wants to appear before this gaggle of partisan idiots is because they will find any way to convict you of something. If they cannot find anything, they fill find a way to convict you of Perjury based upon circumstantial evidence or conflicting testimonies.

    OK. He he. :rolleyes:

    I am no fan of McCain. I'm not voting in this election for the first time in my life. All of the choices are bad. There isn't even a "lesser of the evils" to choose from. They are both bad choices. The worst days for this country are yet to come.

    My friend, I knew that before you were born. :D I've been waiting for a viable 3rd party candidate for years.
     
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    Isn't that the truth.
     
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    You are 100% right. None of these people should ever really need to be questioned or put into trial. The Scooter Libby case was a joke. This is just the democrats going after republicans while they can.
     
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