Hi guys, please suggest me a good alpha reseller hosting or super alpha reseller to set up my hosting website, since am new to this i need ur help. I had already purchased a alpha reseller package, but i didnt get a good support nor a good uptime from those guys, & am totallly disappointed by the service i got.. Since its my beggining i need to promise my clients to get a good uptime & support... So now am in search of good alpha reseller or super alpha for my site... Please share ur reviews & help me out...
Hello, I would personally have to NOT recommend any type of "Alpha" Reseller, they will never be reliable and you won't be able to provide good support let me explain: Original web host has Super overselled servers > You buy the Super Alpha reseller > You sell Alpha reseller and reseller hosting > Customer sells  Reseller hosting > Customer of customer buys Hosting Just with all these layers of people "overselling" what they have and the number of middle men just spells disaster. Just look how quickly there servers must fill up: you buy 1 hosting package > You sell to 15 Customers your alpha reseller plan > Those 15 customers sell to another >  15 Reseller accounts > Those 15 accounts sell to another > 15 Instead I would HEAVILY recommend getting a VPS and put Cpanel on it, you will be able to manage everything and you will still be able to offer Reseller hosting.  Good luck with your venture, I am currently a support staff member for this company and I love the experience, I bet you will too! Best regards, -MattÂ
The above poster is not entirely true but partially, many hosts who sell master/alpha reseller hosting do oversell. There is a difference between the meaning overselling and oversold. --> Overselling --> Selling a little more then you should, but the server is still in a stable condition. --> Oversold --> Selling alot more to profit more, instead this means the server is inaccessable at most times. - Jacob DwellWeb.com
Hello, Jacob There is no difference between "overselling" and "oversold" the only difference is one is in the past tence while the other is in the present. Overselling is overselling it doesn't matter if its by 1gb or 100gb, its not the proper procedure and dishonest. Because of all the levels in Super Alpha resellers or Alpha resellers that leaves a lot of room for abuse. Best regards, -MattÂ
I was referring to a server, there is a difference between overselling and oversold. Go on WHT and ask anyone else.
Its the same word, meaning the same thing. The point is that both are bad and you don't want to be on any servers being "overselled" or "oversold".  I don't think we need to make a debate about it and I am not personally attacking you or any of your services, I just believe that Super Alpha reseller for a start up venture would be a terrible idea. (Personal opinion). Regards, -Matt Â
It's the exact same thing. Overselling, no matter how you slice it, is allocating more resources than you have available on the server. It's not a good thing.
No, Overselling means your selling slightly more then your allocated resources. Oversold is Meaning way past the threshold of what you should of sold. not speaking in past nor present.
Hello, Yes the majority does but your making up these definitions, Oversold is simply the past tence while Overselling the present, just to prove the point lets remove the Prefix "Over" so does that mean that Sold means any different then Selling?  I sold you 1 Pear or I am selling 1 Pear. Its the same word, with the same definition and as I said it doesn't matter if you oversell a bit or a lot, its not good. We should stop debating this now, I think that this thread was resolved and it does not really matter what you define "overselling" or "oversold" as, as long as you know that its shady and should not be done. Regards, -MattÂ
Everyone of us who understands English would agree that "Oversold" is past of "Overselling". If someone might have came with different opinion on any other forum like WHT, it could be his/her personal way of defining the terms. It doesn't mean that the words have different meanings in the hosting industry.
Sorry, but you have no clue what you're talking about. It's the exact same thing. If you're allocating more resources than you physically have available on your server, you are overselling. That's it. You can change the grammatical tense all you like. It's the same thing. Overselling...oversell...oversold...doesn't matter.
Overselling and oversold are not the same thing, and as for oversold being the past of overselling what complete nonsense. Oversold may flow from overselling but it is not the same thing. Overselling is a verb, and oversold is an adjective, or for those not familiar "overselling" is a process whereas "oversold" is a state. Almost every single host will oversell some aspect of their service - show me one who doesn't. It's not just diskspace or bandwidth that's oversold, it can also be the CPU, Memory, resources, databases, but these are much harder to spot. If any host offers "unlimited" parts in their plans, particularly when it is a resource that actually consumes disk space or processing time, then by definition they are probably overselling. Overselling is a perfectly legitimate business practice. In fact, if it didn't go on, most businesses would go out of business or people would be paying significantly more for a service than they do now. It happens in every business I can think of, somewhere. Here's some simple examples.... Mobile networks - why do you think they slow down or calls are difficult to make when there is a large emergency. Could it be there isn't capacity in the system for everyone to use their phone at the same time - overselling Hotels - oversell their rooms because they know that a percentage of guest don't turn up Restaurants - I'm talking about one who orders fresh ingredients for their menu daily. If they were full-up of an evening and everyone ordered the same thing, not everyone would be able to have it. The menu oversells Banks - they hold your cash, but if there's a "run" on the bank, not everyone can get their cash because the bank doesn't hold enough cash to pay everyone at once. Overselling Insurance - If everyone made a claim for the full amount they were insured for they would go out of businss. They know only a proportion of claims are made each year (sometimes they get it wrong). Overselling Maintenance - you buy a maintenance contract, but have to wait a day or two for an engineer to visit. Could it be more contracts are sold than there are engineers to provide immeditate service. Overselling. Overselling goes on ALL the time, you just need to recognize it for what it is. It is a legitimate business practice carried out by businesses large and small all the time. It's a case of calculated risks, and everyone does it, because they know the majority of customers won't use anywhere near their full capacity. For it to be succesful it must be carefully managed and controlled. In all of the above examples a company is monitoring its resources against the use and making adjustments to compensate for areas where they go wrong, which results in what I will call responsible and managed overselling. You can see the parallels in the hosting world all the time - even from hosts who claim they don't oversell and it is evil... Unlimited email accounts - every email account takes up a little disk space. You could never create unlimited amounts because you'd eventually fill up the disks Unlimited MySQL Databases - every databases created uses up disk space, every one used uses up CPU resources and a little memory. Eventually you will use up all the disk space and/or capacity of the CPU, memory, or disk processing 5500GB Data transfer - that's almost a 20mbps line. You'd only fit around 50 accounts on a 1Gigabit network. The host would go out of business if all there customers used all their resource - overselling - but the host knows that they won't so can afford to oversell. I'm not against "unlimited" offers as they can be used quite legtimately by the vast majority of customers (this vast majority would also find a restricted plan suitable too). There are exceptions to the "average" and they are the ones who cause problems. Overselling managed properly and monitored is a good thing, not a bad thing. I'll agree that with many hosts, overselling is not properly managed or monitored. It's just a grab for as much income as possible, but overselling as a concept and practice is legitimate and widely used...pretty much everywhere. "Oversold" is a completely different thing altogether, and it is a BAD thing in almost all circumstances. As to the OP, an alpha master reseller account is a not a good thing. Not in itself, but because of what it can lead to as described by others on these posts. It usually results in unrestricted and uncontrolled selling of restricted resources. Sure, you can call that overselling, but in this case it is not being controlled by anyone so it gets out of hand. You need to control and manage your resources, and be able to add more when required, and you can't do that with an alpha master reseller account.
I do agree personally with some parts of that post, but with the size of harddrives and bandwidth these day's its not very difficult for a webhost to sell "true" bandwidth and space. Let me just reply to this specific part as it does seem to target our premium packages.  First off the bandwidth, we have a contract with our datacenter to provide the bandwidth under "unmetered" terms so we simply forward that to our clients. As for the E-mail accounts and MySQL databases that simply describes that we don't limit it, for example lets say that each e-mail account takes 1mb for creation and that client decides to choose our Business plan (50Gb of disk space) that would mean that they could potentially create 50 000 e-mail accounts or more. Same as the Mysql databases. "Unlimited" Simply refers to not having a strict limit on the amount or e-mail or Mysql like many other web hosts that might limit and account to 10 or 20 e-mail accounts of course the limiting factor would be your other quota's but the point is that there is "hard" limit. "overselling" even just a bit will still slow down the server, take up more resources and  if your at the point where a server is full and you start to oversell it will usually also indicate its time to get a new server. Disk space and bandwidth are usually not the limiting factors in an account, what we have been noticing lately its CPU and Ram usage because of people running Blogs with a few dozen Plugins, so by not overselling we can also rest assured that the load on our servers will always stay at a moderate level and in a way that has saved our company thousands of dollars in maintenance and support costs. Its really depends on the company's perspective and by offering this type of service without overselling our clients are always happy, we receive a lot less support ticket and consequentially our support team's response time is much faster. The point is even though it seems like overselling is a good idea on making more money faster with out the need of more resources its not and it ends up costing you more once you start growing. Thank you for commenting RonBrow your post is definitely very descriptive and will most likely help the OP. Best regards, -MattÂ
My reply wasn't targetting anyone in particular it was making an observation that "overselling" as a process is something that goes on in EVERY hosting company. Sometimes it's obvious, other times it's not so obvious, but it sure goes on. Overselling is not something evil, unlawful, or immoral because if overselling didn't go on hosting plans would be significantly more expensive for the resources that are offered - or the plans would be much smaller. It is the case that the majority pay for those that do need more than average, and the excessive users get shunted elsewhere. Not because they are using too much of the obvious resources (diskspace and bandwidth) but because they will end up using too much CPU, RAM, or Disk I/O, and these "excess resource" rules exist for ALL shared hosting companies that I've ever seen - some specify what is excessive, some don't, but they all have them. We use some SANs with 24 drives. I could fit 3TB SATA drives in it for a total capacity of 72TB. This isn't unlimited but it would take someone with with 1.2MB upload speeds (ADSL line) over 17 YEARS to fill up that amount of space. For the purposes of arguement our available diskspace is effectively unlimited. Even the 50GB you talk about would take over 4 days, running 24 hours per day, to fill up that diskspace for the majority of customers. I accept your statement that the person could create 50,000 email accounts, but that's not how diskspace is used. Diskspace hold emails, databases, and web site files, so this 50,000 email accounts is theoretical and can, in no way, be considered "unlimited". I know that, you know that, but you're still offering something "unlimited" that you can't actually deliver. However, I have no arguement with you in how you market it as unlimited because for the hugest, vastest (not real words!) customers there is no "limit" that they would effectively reach or use, and if that's the case then it must be "unlimited" for them - ipso facto. But by doing this you can't then decry other hosts for doing the same thing even if their "unlimited" aspect is a different resource, or that would be rank hypocrisy. If, like us, you operate your own servers then you know you can effectively dish-up as much diskspace as anyone could ever use. Need more diskspace - add another SAN into the mix. The problems with "unlimited" really comes when it's offered by a host with a single rented server, or a reseller with a small host, where the concept of "unlimited" is simply not possible. I'm not saying we would let a customer consume 2TB of diskspace for a couple of bucks because the chances are they would be breaking a term relating to the type of files, or using too much CPU, or excess Disk I/O or network capacity. I've said in the past, people see "unlimited" as being the same as "unrestricted" and that isn't the case. Overselling does not slow down the server - not in the slightest fraction of one thousandth of one millionth of one percent. It's not the process of overselling that is the problem, it's the state of being oversold. Overselling does not necessarily lead to oversold. We too monitor our servers and add more when necessary. Managing the resources, the servers, and the overselling is what it's about, but that's a choice we have as a "real" host rather than someone renting servers from a 3rd party. We too are starting to see customers with very few visitors cause huge server resource usage. You only have to look at these forums on a daily basis to see people complaining along the lines of "I only get X visitors per day but I've been shut down/my site stops working for a few minutes/my site is slow/my host told me to upgrade". That's a fact of life and you are correct that it's rarely the diskspace or bandwidth usage that's the problem. That's always been my point in previous posts (I've posted to a few about this subject). However, that's how hosting plans are still sold so that's what the buyers think is important. As a host, diskspace and bandwidth are the least of our worries too. CPU usage, RAM, and especially Disk I/O are the major factors that affect the performance of our servers. We could offer unlimited diskspace (we don't) and unlimited or unmetered data transfer (but we don't) and it would make no real difference to the actual amount of space used or the amount of data transferred - that's the truth. It depends on how you want to play the game and how flexible your infrastructure is. My point in all this is that overselling is not evil. It goes on everywhere. Overselling is not the problem, oversold is. They are not the same - not even remotely the same. I concede that for some hosts (maybe many hosts) they may amount to the same result, but for responsible hosts "never the twain shall meet", so to say. It's the same when it comes to unlmited. "Unlimited" is not impossible, and most hosts have unlimited aspects to their plans. If they do then it's not for them to say what resource is, or is not, acceptable to offer, or to call it a scam. I have no time for unfounded, hypocritical, holier-than-though statements. Show me anything unlimited and I'll explain the limits but not necessarily disagree that what is being offered is unlimited for all intents and purposes. No-one said it had to make sense.
I personally agree with you! Web hosts offering unlimited disk space is a scam and we don't offer services that include unlimited disk space and its usually just a marketing term with other types of limits on CPU, Memory etc. which prevents you from receiving that "unlimited space". The reason we put that Unlimited e-mails, MySql, Add-on domain and sub-Domains, was simply to state that we don't have a fixed number for each. We also specify in our TOS that the number of accounts are limited to the other specifications of your plan for example our Advanced plan has 10Gb of disk space so that would mean 10 000 e-mail accounts at 1mb each, while our Business plan could have 50 000 e-mails at 1mb each. The reason we decided to go with the terminology "unlimited" for those specific features was in order to demonstrate that we didn't have a fixed limit and we didn't necessarily want to put one. We haven't had any clients yet complain that they couldn't create more then xxxxx number of e-mail accounts and we don't expect too. I do agree that company's oversell a lot and I am not necessarily saying its Taboo and in a way the entire economy works that way, but as a webhost we simply found that if we didn't oversell we could provide optimum performance while still making enough profit to cover all the expenses and the growth of the company. For example lets say we have a 16 core cluster with about 10Tb of usable disk space from Raid-10  (2:1 ratio on total amount of disk space) then we could place about 200 Business clients with there own dedicated Ip and SSL certificate and we have noticed that this number of clients allows the server to perform when needed during spikes with out any hicups or problems. Of course we could add a good 50 more account onto that with out any problems but we would rather not sacrifice on reliability. I guess it all depends on company's policy and that is generally what we stick with. As you stated that is the exact reason why unlimited is in fact possible because everything IS limited it makes Unlimited a possibility. Let me explain because of the clients or users connection speed, computer or any other factors company's have been able to sell "Unlimited"  because it can never be attained I completely agree that nothing is unlimited (Except energy because it can't be destroyed or created making its very presence "Unlimited") but we still can't attain it. Hosterbox has been thinking about releasing an Unlimited plan in order to keep up with growing competition and because of the requests. Even though some clients only use about 100mb of disk space they would still rather an "unlimited" plan to a decently sized "fixed" package. I know where your coming from and I personally fell the same way but the whole entire webhosting market has changed rapidly with new webhosts pricing "Infinity+1Gb Disk space" for 3$ a year and with people continuing to search for that. There are a lot of companies that have meet success with these "Unlimited" schemes and its a rapidly growing trend. People don't know that these type of services are usually oversold or that you won't actually be able to upload the entire internet, your blueray movie collection and every e-book in existence on your web hosting account but they look at other webhosts with fixed features and they would rather go with the unlimited offering. In the end its marketing and all the "big" players in  the industry have went in this direction, in a way this marketing technique makes sense and it plays on psychology as well as logic. Regards, -MattÂ
Actually, we don't quite agree because I think offering unlimited IS possible and that it isn't a scam. I'll totally agree that there's no such thing as an unlimited sized disk drive and that there's no such thing as endless bandwidth, but that's not the point. You don't need unlimited amounts of diskspace or bandwidth available at that precise moment to offer unlimited, you just need enough to fulfill a customers need and maybe have a little bit spare in case they want some more. If you can do that then you can offer - and supply - "unlimited" without guile, without scamming, and with your conscience intact. I don't see why hosts can't understand that and think you need to have the "unlimited amount" in place first. It's like the overselling/oversold arguement. Oversold is bad, overselling does not necessarily lead to oversold, so what's wrong with overselling as everyone does it and it's good for the consumer and end user - as long as it never turns into oversold? The same arguement applies to unlimited. If you can give a customer all the space they need and all the data transfer they need without charging them any more or placing a limit on them, then to all intents and purposes you're providing them with "unlimited". It also depends on your interpretation. Is "unlimited" without end, or is it "no limits apply to you". It might seem like splitting hairs, but it's a crucial difference. The naysayers of "unlimited" invariably interpret it as "without end" and assume this "without end" resource needs to be in place first. If we look at is as "no limits apply to you" then that's a completely different scenario as it can be interpretted as "you can have as much as you need". It seems the same, but it is very very different. Lets look at some of the dumb arguements as to why unlimited isn't possible 1. There's no such thing as an unlimited disk space/bandwidth Not much of an arguement. My reply is "So what? Who said you need them?" As long as you can satisfy the needs of your customers and aren't stopping them using more disk space or bandwidth, and are in a position to provide more when needed, then you're not imposing any limits. If you aren't imposing any limits, then by definition it is unlimited. There's also the proliferation of SANs that are now much more common. As I've pointed out, it's easy - and not that expensive - to deploy massive SANs. These provide more diskspace than anyone could reasonably use up in a lifetime of hosting. If it can't be used up then it must have no limits, even if there is a finite size in there somewhere. It only has to enough, not infinite amounts, to be unlimited for a particular customer. 2. They will shut you down/make you upgrade if you use too many resources? The worse arguement - ever. So will every other host who isn't willing to work with you on a solution. This sort of behaviour is not exclusive to "unlimited" hosts, it happens all the time with all types of hosts. 3. By placing restrictions on CPU or "excess resource usage" then it can't be unlimited Are you serious? Why not? There may be some sort of relationship, but the deciding factor is excess CPU or RAM usage, not the amount of diskspace or data being transferred (and that's what people usually mean when talking about an unlimited host). "Excess Resource" usage is a phenomenon that's a reality for all hosts. Excess resource usage policies are about fairness to all users. On a shared resource (e.g. a shared server) everyone has a right to an equal amount (or fair share) of resources. It is unfair if one user hogs all these resources to the detriment of others, so there are restrictions. These restrictions aren't there to favour the host and give them a "get out" from their unlimited plan, it to ensure everyone gets a fair use of the server. Some people say that's the definitive arguement but it's no where near that status. Fair use is about fair use, no limits to diskspace is a different thing altogether. 4. I could upload X million files to the server and soon see how "unlimited" it is and how quickly you'll shut me down! Haven't you got anything better to do? You're obviously not a typical user and your sole intention is to damage the ability of the server and host to provide hosting to their clients. You're not some sort of avenger for the common good, you're an idiot. And lets be honest, with other clauses in place such as excess resource usage, no archived files, all files must be available on the site, no duplicate files, no download sites or file sharing, you're likely to hit one of these barriers. Have you really got so much time spare that you're going to create a site with all these links? If you do have the time, that's pretty sad. And don't forget, you need to upload these files to your site from somewhere. You'll be paying your ISP or network provider for this transfer. If you're doing this through an ISP there's a good chance you'll reach your ISP data transfer limits long before it bothers most hosts. Do you really want to pay for this transfer, or reach your ISP's transfer limits, just to prove a point that no-one will actually care about, and which you'll never acheive because you'll likely fall foul of a restriction that does exist? Thats just theory, not reality, and for 99.99% of customers, unlimited works and is possible. From a statistical perspective 99.99% is everyone. If anyone can remember the 95% probability curve and how that is seen as a definitive statistical summary of ALL subjects and that the top and bottom 2.5% were viewed as insignificant anomalies, then 99.99% beats that hands down. 5 It's a scam Really? Apart from these unfounded words, I've not seen anyone put forward a decent, valid, arguement as to why offering unlimited hosting isn't possible. I too can say, "It's all a figment of someones imagination", but that doesn't make it true without being able to say why. That's the problem with those who seem to have a problem with unlimited offers. They don't make a decent arguement as to why it isn't possible. They dream-up scenarios, they don't qualify their position, and they make blanket statements that don't hold any water. It's almost as if they are so blinkered that they think that making a statement makes it true...unfortunately for them, it doesn't. The nearest anology I can think of is having an unlimited wallet. You can take out as much money as you want, as often as you want, and you'll still have unlimited amounts available. However, you can never remove an unlimited amount at any single point because there is no definition of unlimited - and your pockets won't be big enough to hold it all. You just get what you need, when you need it, and when you need more you get more. That's exactly what unlimited hosting is like. You don't get all the space you need upfront, you get enough diskspace to do what you need, and when you want more you can have more. Back to the real world. Can "unlimited" hosting be a scam? Sure. Some hosts are dishonest. For some it's purely a marketing ploy and they WILL close you down for using too much diskspace or data transfer on the pretext of excess resource usage. It happens, and I can't deny it. But, as you've pointed out, most very large hosts offer unlimited plans. Are you really willing to come on here and say hosts like Hostgator are scamming people with their unlimited plans? Are you sure you could provide evidence to support your "theory" if it went to court? If you really think unlimited is impossible, that all hosts offering it are scamming people, and you think you have an unassailable arguement, lets see you have the courage of your convictions and publically name a large (and preferably litigious) host who is guilty of this practice. Just to make the point regarding your own hosting plans. The 50GB plan you offer, is probably, to all intents and purposes, without limit to the customers who buy it because they will never reach the limits you impose. You're probably 100% correct in your assumption that no-one will ever complain about not being able to create 50,000 email account because no-one needing that number of email accounts is going to use shared hosting (well, apart from uninformed idiots). As hosts we both know what the real average diskspace and data transfer is like for the huge majority of customers, and we both know that the smallest hosting plan offered would fulfill these needs in almost all cases. Hosts genuinely offering unlimited hosting in terms of diskspace and data transfer are working on exactly the same assumptions given their years of experience, knowledge, and customer data. It's a risk, but a carefully calculated one, and one that works for them. As hosts we worry about the anomalies that will potentially use a lot more than the average, but these customers are very rare, and few of them appear on the shared hosting market. When they do, they quickly learn that their sites use so many resources that it isn't suitable for shared hosting. The thing that I dread most is that more and more people use ASP.NET (we're a windows host) since the performance capabilties of these sites in terms of visitor numbers versus strain on the server, is so enourmous, that they will be able to consume huge amounts of expensive data transfer while having virtually no impact on the server. That's when a serious price adjustment will need to be made. In the meantime, the use of open-source PHP apps with dodgy plug-ins quickly removes the high-resource sites from the shared hosting market.
I think your starting to conflict with some of your other post's:  and I do agree that it is possible that is why I made this statement:   And to choose such Unlimited packages is more of a personal preference and I never said that any specific web host is a scam for offering it, actually I noted that some have had success offering it and that they where still able to provide a good and reliable service.  I am not too sure what your opinion is  because it seems to change during the thread but I would have to debate certain elements of your post:    Not true, most Unlimited web hosts put limitations in there TOS such as you can't upload any files that won't be displayed and there are a lot of user that have websites with more then 2000 visits a day, they sign up or one of these packages for 3$ a month and they instantly get suspended. Of course there are exceptions to both of our arguments and as I stated Unlimited is possible because everything else is limited. I think we should move this discussion via  PM as its not really in relation with the OP's question. Regards, -MattÂ
It does because it brings up the question of overselling and ties in with unlimited hosting as this is normally what's on offer when it comes to super master uber alpha reseller plans. Not in the slightest. I've been clear that just because you offer unlimited doesn't mean you have to have unlimited resources available at that particular point. I've also stated that if a client is effectively unable to realistically acheive any limitations imposed then for all intents and purposes they have an unlimited plan. Sure, I can probably point out where limitations may apply when it comes to unlimited (e.g. number of email account, switch trunks), but if the client can never hope to reach these potential limits on something "unlimited" then it's unlimited as far as they are concerned. And, as a responsible host, you'd add more resources as required to continue to meet the needs. I was talking in general. You'll find several posts saying that it is a scam, but I've never seen anyone provide a valid reason why it is a scam. Just an empty statement. No it doesn't. I'm quite clear that unlimited as a concept is possible, but I will concede that some hosts are guilty of offering with no intention of allowing it or without the capability of scaling to make it feasible. That's not contradictory, it's a fact. I don't have problems admitting that there may be an ultimate limit, but it will never be reached, and for the purposes of use, it is without limit (unlimited) to the users. I'm not sure why you chose that. Excess Resource usage is almost exclusively related to CPU, RAM, and other server processes, and has nothing to do with diskspace. Even limiting the type of files (no zips, movies) etc is usually related to use of the space not how much is being used. At no time are these restricting disk space used per se. If a host limits the number of files, that's a different matter and I'll agree there. I don't see the problem with restricting files that aren't to be displayed on the site. It's a hosting service not a free off-line archive. That doesn't limit the disk space they use for their web site. Limitation of visitor numbers is a dodgy restriction that does have a direct effect on "unlimited" bandwidth, and as such I totally agree that this is not "unlimited". But......if the site never reaches that number then it's not an issue. A bit dodgy and immoral nonetheless. I've never claimed all hosts are perfect- just the opposite in fact. But, as a concept unlimited diskspace and data transfer is possible for some hosts. I've also said that anyone offering anything unlimited is doing the same thing just with a different resource. There may ultimately be a limit that can be reached, but this limit is so vast and esoteric (50,000 email accounts - c'mon, who will EVER use that on shared hosting) that the effect is that it becomes without limit for that customer, and I have no issue with a host marketing it as unlimited...even if I can see that a limitation may ultimately exist somewhere but never for the users of that hosting plan. See, we agree after all, but we're the exception in many cases.