My suprise regarding indexing, directories and pricing.

Discussion in 'Directories' started by pipes, Apr 3, 2007.

  1. #1
    I will be launching a few of my own directories soon and checking out new directories everyday im suprised to see that some that are not even indexed yet or barely indexed can have quite substantial submission charges.

    I thought maybe that people wouldn't entertain a directory until its been indexed by the major 3 engines, or maybe its just that the prices are in place for when things really kick in for the directory.

    Im not complaining about how anyone runs their directory or anything like that, im just suprised to see certain things, i guess its because ive been looking at things with more detail since deciding to setup my own directories soon.
     
    pipes, Apr 3, 2007 IP
  2. paidhosting

    paidhosting Peon

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    #2
    Dont worry mate launching 3 directories soon, they will be indexed in 72 hrs or less from this post u can submit there then :).

    But yes it kinda hurts me to see new sites not getting indexed quick enough to be called a paid directory. But when i submit for a free link i do not look if that directory is indexed or not, i just submit it cause eventually hopefully it will get indexed.
     
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  3. pipes

    pipes Prominent Member

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    Il look forward to your new directories paidhosting, i agree when its free directories its no prob it being indexed or not as its only a matter of time before they are.
     
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    popotalk Notable Member

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    Yes your right sir. Alternative is look who is the owner. That also gives a lot of weight.
     
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  5. NeoGen

    NeoGen Writer

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    #5
    Not only the owner, but also the effort behind creating / developing a directory. Some of the important factors could be: Is it using a run of the mill template or has been custom coded to give distinct look & feel, What kind of Mods have been installed, is it on a unique IP (i.e. no other directory on that IP) and most importantly how well its being promoted.
     
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    silencer Notable Member

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    #6
    Excellent considerations. Actually delving into the 'beinhd-the-scenes' activity of the directory can reveal a lot more than the automated 'it-ain't-indexed-yet' query.

    This is where the DP regs have the good oil. They are up to date on all things directory, and know whose hot and whose not.
     
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    jl255 Well-Known Member

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    #7
    actually how do you see if the directory has a unique IP?
     
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    paidhosting Peon

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    U use domaintools.com or other similar site and check what results pop out, if it says its on dedicated server it usually means its a unique ip they are using and no other site exists on it, for example : http://whois.domaintools.com/sbclansite.com

    Look at the DomainTools Exclusive .
     
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    jl255 Well-Known Member

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    ok, tks. But even if its on a dedicated server, it does not mean that the IP is unique right?
     
    jl255, Apr 3, 2007 IP
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    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #10
    I agree with everything 99%....

    the 1 directory all by itself on the ip... thats already been discussed and
    you can Pay $90 bucks per directory per year but THERE WILL BE OTHER DIRECTORIES on that same ip...
    Maybe not YOURS but someone else in most cases as ive been researching and have found several others
    on the same ips for a few off mine...

    thx
    malcolm
     
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  11. NeoGen

    NeoGen Writer

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    You are right, that is why recommend everyone to buy a dedicated IP for their hosting need, and preferably one should buy a reseller hosting. So I own the IP and I know what all I have hosted.
     
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    paidhosting Peon

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    Ok wait i do not understand whats so special about dedicated IP that shared IP does not have ? Before i go screaming to everyone go for dedicated ip for ur directory ?
     
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    jl255 Well-Known Member

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    #13
    shared IP's mean that if your site is hosted on a server along with many others, all of you will get the same IP. This simplifies the technical aspects of hosting your website. Instead of having a unique IP address for every domain, they can all share one IP address. This makes it easier for them to manage and maintain the servers.

    Disadvantage of shared IP's is that if someone sharing your IP gets banned for spamming or other misdeeds, your IP can get banned or blacklisted. You may not even know it until your site disappears from the search engines or your email start getting blocked by ISPs. Thus, other's actions can adversely affect you.

    Dedicated IP means that your site is the only one using that unique IP number. IP address 209.131.36.158 belongs to Yahoo! for example and nobody else can use that.

    For ecommerce sites, dedicated IP is definitely the way to go even more so if you accept credit cards. SSL certificate DEPENDS on that. Also, it appears that those with unique IP do better in terms of SEO although it is not fully clear why.

    But, just to clear some misunderstanding some may have, dedicated IPs do not have an impact on loading speeds, which depends on the bandwidth of your servers. At least that is what i have learnt, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

    Short summary for you, hope it helps ;)
     
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  14. paidhosting

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  15. NeoGen

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    Look you wont be penalized, but the value of those links coming from same IP would be be discounted and this is one of many ways for the SE's to find related sites, that is why it is best to host on different C-Blocks.

    The issue is not between dedicated or shared, its whether your directory is sharing same c-class block with other directory

    I have plenty of other site hosted on my directory site, but there is only one directory:D

    Some of the nice tools/site to check whether a set of directories are on same C Class:

    http://www.best-web-directories.com/directory-same-ip-c-class.htm
    http://www.webrankinfo.com/english/tools/class-c-checker.php
     
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    paidhosting Peon

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    Sorry but if someone wont be penalized than what you mean "but the value of those links coming from same IP would be be discounted " ? I do not understand too well the meaning of those 2 statement, penalized in what sense ?
     
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  17. NeoGen

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    In a way what will be the advantage and the link that you might have purchased thinking its going to help will not be accounted for SE purpose.
     
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    Oh where did you get that information from ? So what you are saying is the SE care about the ip where the link comes from ?
     
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  20. malcolm1

    malcolm1 Prominent Member

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    #20
    well i have a reseller package... actually i have 3 of those...

    Now this dedicated sure sounds great but are you going to pay
    $175 monthly for 1 directory? as thats what you will be doing cause anything
    else you put on that deadicated ip will be connected to that directory...;)

    laterz
    malcolm
     
    malcolm1, Apr 3, 2007 IP