My Ringtones Experiment - A Point Proven

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by bluesync, Jan 11, 2007.

  1. Kerunai

    Kerunai Active Member

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    #61
    test until when ? i thought perry marshals books is very well written to assist in Adwords
     
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    #62
    I started off in Ringtones because being so "saturated", people spoke more freely about their strategies. This was good because it taught me a lot of stuff I could use with other offers. I made an OK return and it was my first attempt at affiliate marketing ever, but when people say they are saturated, it's because they are making 200+% returns on other offers with a lot less effort. The ringtone market is saturated to the point where you have to put in work and be clever to make a lot of money, but the audience is still there and clicks still convert. If you can figure out how to get a lot of traffic, you're set.
     
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  3. daminc

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    #63
    YES, true exactly!
    so.. the only problem here is to "figure out how to get a lot of traffic" 8),
    and when you get it, then "how to make that traffic flow consistently" .
     
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  4. bluesync

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    #64
    Scrape *cough* scrape. From everywhere you can possibly think of. Long tail is the way to be in ringtones.
     
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    #65
    Bluesync: Your still doing ringtones right? Have you been making way more now?
     
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  6. bluesync

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    #66
    I tested like crazy last month, so I didn't make anything impressive... As long as it pays the bills ;). Even though I lost a lot testing, it was way worth it in the knowledge gained. Plus I got a whole redesign that I implemented at the start of Febrauary, wow is it worth it to get your landing page professionally designed! CTR to the affiliate page increases significantly.

    Working on some pretty sick tools right now, so I'm not too worried about profits... After the tools are done... I think I'll be able to take a paradise vacation.

    Check this out though, because ringtones are so saturated you have to go any place that others have not gone or don't bother to go... Meaning if you find 200k related keyphrases and each keyword gets 3 searches per month.... That's 600k impressions... Now if you even get 5% of those clicks, that's 30k clicks... And assuming that out of the 30k clicks to your landing page, 40% go to your affiliate offer... So that's 12k clicks... And out of those you convert at 4%... That's 480 leads... Multiply that by $13 I believe is what the starting affiliate gets at Azoogle... That's $6240 gross profit, at an average cpc of 6 cents, $1500. That's a profit of $4740.

    If you can't expand your marketing budget you're still in the game - expand your keyword count :). 200k is not that hard to do for ringtones related keywords. At a constant ROI of 3k-5k, you can start expanding yourself into other markets, and grow from there.

    I meant to post a "yeah, I tested alot.", but I guess I wrote a little more.
     
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  7. daminc

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    #67
    yep, "testing a lot" eats a lot of money 8).

    hmph.. where can you insert these 200K? Even Adword is limited to 50K KWs AFAIK. Also 5% CTR is pretty optimistic, not even mentioning 0.06 cpc 8). I saw myself how 0.04 cpc go up to 0.3 in two days because of low QS.
     
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  8. bluesync

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    Yeah you have to play with quality score in all sorts of ways... PPC is really moving towards SEO, plus you have to have a history with adwords. I tried a new account with the same keywords... $5, versus 30 cent minimum... Wow.

    Otherwise, Yahoo really doesn't have much for a minimum bid quality score, same with MSN.

    As far as having more than 50k keywords, you have to make multiple accounts if you're doing adwords, msn might let you have them all I'm not sure of the limit, not sure of the limit with yahoo either.
     
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  9. daminc

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    #69
    >PPC is really moving towards SEO,

    You are RRRight! Freakin' seo all the way.
    I see one succesful ad in ringtones niche being all the time in top-3 postion. The trick is it doesn't send PPC traffic right to the display URL. Instead it sends firstly to some doorway page (for QS reasons I guess) and from there it redirects to the actual display URL with lack of content. Smarty bastard 8)
     
    daminc, Feb 9, 2007 IP