My plan to fix Africa

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  1. Toopac

    Toopac Peon

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    #41
    You sound fanatical "Have they? HAVE THEY?", are you an Jew? I do ask because Jews live world wide. No problem if you are but at least I'll know whether you just.

    1) Support whatever your government does, or supports.
    2) Whether you are indeed biased

    Yes the leader of Hamas did recognize Israels right to exist Google it.

    Source?


    You mean this ally that attacked your warship? If that's an ally then would you don't want enemies? Would you? WOULD YOU?

    Don't even speak to me again unless you answer my question above.
     
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  2. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #42
    I wouldn't have asked the question if I didn't already know the answer. Why don't you Google it and provide me the quote.



    Are you saying all your previous posts supporting Palestine were lies, or should I provide a link to every post you've made to date.



    Allies do screwed up things, like spying on each other all the time, yet we remain allies. Given the option of allies in that part of the world, Israel is an obvious choice, so YES is my answer. What does it have to do with the conversation? Nothing.

    Go back to the drawing board and come up with a truthful answer to the Hamas question. I'm sure it doesn't sit will with you, but you are like a German trying to bitch about the bombing of Dresden while Hitler is still in power.
     
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  3. Toopac

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    #43
    Top link totally random: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3791655.ece

    I would suggest you learn to use the internet though.

    Quote them, what does that prove? I don't support massacres of entire people unlike you?


    A little more than spying would you say? Allies don't attack each other intentionally.

    BTW you didn't answer my first question.
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #44
    Weren't you just bitching about the MSM and spin?

    Here is the title from your article:
    "Hamas leader accepts Israel's right to exist after Carter visit"

    And here is the actual quote from within the article of the Hamas leadership:
    “We agree to a (Palestinian) state on pre-67 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital with genuine sovereignty without settlements but without recognising Israel,” Mashaal said.

    Basically, give us back the 1967 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital and recognition as a legitimate government and we still won't recognize Israel. And you complain about Fox having spin?

    Again, given the choice of allies in the region, Israel is an obvious choice, regardless of how you would wish it to be otherwise.


    Other interesting quotes from your link:
    "Recent polls indicate a steady decrease in support among Palestinians for the US-brokered peace talks.

    Only 21 per cent of Palestinians remain supportive of the talks, according to a joint poll conducted by the Hebrew University's Truman Centre in Jerusalem and the Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research in Ramallah this month. "


    I guess Hamas has a pretty solid backing in Palestine. Why did you want me, or anyone else, to feel sorry for these people again?



    Here is the same news from a different source, with different spin. Go figure.
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/976662.html
     
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  5. Toopac

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    #45
    So basically your question was

    So there's your answer.

    Don't flip flop to other issues, but but, but.... "did Hamas say they love Israel?"

    ;)

    BTW I don't care if Hamas wants to blow Israel up nor If Israel wants to blow Hamas up, the fact is innocents don't deserve to die. Just because Israel does not approve of Hamas doesn't mean they can starve innocent people etc etc etc
     
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    #46
    I LOVE it. I point out the headline of the article misquotes Hamas as saying something they clearly never said, at the same time mentioning how you love to accuse the MSM of being wrong, and you quote back the headline, not Hamas' words, as a legitimate answer. There is only one thing I can say to someone with such reasoning skills.

    Oooga Booga

    This, by the way, is the biggest reason Palestinians fail to get support. Your views are shared by 80% of Palestinians, according to the Times. If the same 80% were willing to throw Hamas out and recognize Israel's right to exist, you would instantly end the humanitarian crisis, and arrive shortly thereafter at a two state solution. I guess you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
     
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    #47
    Well a 2 state solution that Hamas wants, is accepting Israels right to exist.
     
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    #48
    Uh no, its not. Its a 10 year truce which will promptly be violated by the Palestinians, as history tells us they will do. It is worldwide recognition of Palestine without Palestinian recognition of Israel. It is another bullshit deal made by terrorists who think the watching world are the uneducated idiots they have strap bombs to their chests.
     
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    #49
    The truce before the gaza war was violated by Israel as many other times even your media outlets cottened on to that;)
     
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    #50
    How does that fix the problem?

    In actuality, Africa can yield food. This has been seen in the past. However, the native Africans were not educated to maintain the farms that the colonials built, and shamefully, they destroyed them. Africa is also rich in minerals and useful resources.

    Finally, to argue against the OP. Africans do seek fertile lands when they immigrate to other countries.
     
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