my little rant about [unfair] competition

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by Liminal, Feb 13, 2005.

  1. #1
    one of my main competitors is doing something (dunno what's it called) to cheat Google (and perhaps other search engines). basically, they have sitewide links with anchors such as web developer, software development, etc pointing to the index page. not sure how effective this proves to be (probably helps) but the fact that they are doing it, really tickles me as a competitor. also, if i were a regular visitor of that site, i'd be really put off to see that. would you?
     
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  2. Diamondbacks

    Diamondbacks Peon

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    What about that is cheating?
     
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  3. Liminal

    Liminal Peon

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    how useful is it for me as a visitor of the site to have 5 footer links all taking me to the same page (main page)? those links are clearly meant to manipulate search engine's results.

    what would you call it?
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    Something tells me that Google is a bit smarter than that. I cannot imagine that text links to the page that the links are on or indexed as "backlinks" to the site. That would be a bit odd IMHO.
     
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  5. david_sakh

    david_sakh Peon

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    ? why wouldn't those backlinks count. Many sites offer multiple links on one page linking to the homepage...

    It's not so spammy as you think, sad to say, there are much more notorious things out there...
     
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  6. ViciousSummer

    ViciousSummer Ayn Rand for President! Staff

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    #6
    Unfortunately there is a fine line between "SE Spam" and "SE Spam recognized by SE's as spam". I notice this alot with my competitors as well. For example: http://www.lingeriesexylingerie(dot)com/valentine.html. If you scroll down that page you'll see this:

    "Wording:

    Valentine's Day Lingerie

    Valentines Day Lingerie

    Valentine Day Lingerie

    Valentine's Lingerie

    Valentines Lingerie

    Valentine Lingerie

    Sexy Valentine's Day Lingerie

    Sexy Valentines Day Lingerie

    Sexy Valentine Day Lingerie

    Sexy Valentine's Lingerie

    Sexy Valentines Lingerie

    Sexy Valentine Lingerie

    Obvious SE spam, but it's working... :rolleyes:
     
    ViciousSummer, Feb 14, 2005 IP
  7. T0PS3O

    T0PS3O Feel Good PLC

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    But to what extent is it working?

    Having read all the relevant white papers plus from experience I believe (and it makes sense from the 'voting' perspective) that multiple links from your own site to your own page are devalued. They are the exact same IP and they voted for themselves.

    Google must be simply (or almost) discarding the value of those.

    Up until late last year I used KW links in the footers of my sites but doubted its usefulness and got rid of it. No noticable impact on ranking at all.

    VS, when you say it's working, does that mean you see them rank for those words even without them having a reasonable number of external incoming back links as well?
     
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  8. payoutwindow

    payoutwindow Well-Known Member

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    I have to side with TOPS' here ... I have also seen a couple of websites doing it and in this day and age, I don't think it works any more.
     
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  9. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I did not say it was "spammy". I just do not believe that it counts as a bl. Who really knows though :D
     
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  10. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    lots of internal key word links kick ass in yahoo

    I highly recomend trying it out
     
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  11. William

    William Well-Known Member

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    Might just try that. but how does goggle look at it?
     
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  12. nfzgrld

    nfzgrld Peon

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    #12
    I don't know that it is even possible to account for all the reason these links could be there. At least not from the perspective of a spiderbot. Any well designed site with decent navigation will have at least one link to the homepage on every single page. I would submit that getting credit for internal links is more getting credit for good web design, or at least an attempt at it. There's also the dynamic factor. If you look at a site like Axelis or Mari-Len.com you'll notice that almost every single internal link goes through /index.php. If G is going to penalize for that then me and every other php/perl/asp/etc. user on the web is screwed.
     
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  13. alldownload

    alldownload Peon

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    hmmmmmmmmmm very bad
     
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  14. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #14
    Depends on the site. I have one domain in particular I can point a link to my main page, index pages, or external site and it almost always gives a very nice ranking in google. I will admit sometimes it is short lived but I have a trick to fix that quick as well, sorry if it's cheating but i'm also not sharing that info :)

    Other domains however google will not do this with, if you however have a strong page with google it can and does help as long as you don't go over board. And by strong I don't mean pr :)
     
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  15. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    I do a little bit of this and it seems to help in all 3 SE's, I don't overdo though.
     
    debunked, Sep 7, 2005 IP