My brutal Google penalty July 2009. Horrible. Any suggestions?

Discussion in 'Google' started by GE Master, Aug 5, 2009.

  1. #1
    Okay, I'll keep this brief. I'm at the point of breaking. I've submitted a handful of sites and had them rejected since receiving my penalties.

    Imagine, 100 sites, all penalized at the same time. Unrelated domains and unrelated keywords even. Some related, but some are not. Confused? I don't spam, and conduct myself honestly in terms of my sites. Were a lot of my sites ugly? Yes. Were a lot of them 1 page? Yes. There were new!

    I used a template which I think, has caused a duplicate content issue. Something major has gone on here, and I cannot get through this. The template has a few java scripts, which contains a fair number of lines/characters. I've been reducing those scripts with each resubmission attempt. I've been trying to tip the balance of original content vs. possible duplicate content. I've stripped some sites greatly, but still have not been brought back into Google. This isn't as simple as saying, oh it's because I'm using a template.

    This situation is beyond belief. I was planning ecommerce, but kind of hard when Google isn't indexing your site...
     
    GE Master, Aug 5, 2009 IP
  2. Suziclue

    Suziclue Well-Known Member

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    why don't you just make one good site on a domain that's over than 6 months. have atleast 10 pages within the site.
     
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  3. GE Master

    GE Master Member

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    I would counter argue, why the hell can't I launch a 1 page website first? Build Rome first, then I'm allowed to launch? Nice www that would be.
     
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  4. vagrant

    vagrant Peon

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    #4
    Can you give us some example url's and say what has happened that makes you think you have a penalty ?
    loss of PR, loss of serps, bot not visiting etc ?

    do you mean submitted for Google's AdSense program or something else?
     
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  5. GE Master

    GE Master Member

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    My sites were all wiped off Google index, at the same time. It is a penalty, the most severe. Gone, wiped. Enjoying that first page result? GONE!

    I resubmitted the usual requests to Google. You know the one. Plead your case, state your sins, pray for forgiveness and pray you are brought back from the dead. I've been doing this with these site for the past month now. Each time, same result. NOTHING.
     
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  6. findonline

    findonline Peon

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    Google has been ignoring my sites as well, and very reluctant to index additional pages, I wonder if they have changed their algorythm / policy on this.
     
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  7. sanjen

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  8. vagrant

    vagrant Peon

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    #8
    You still did not post sample urls and keywords.

    Without that no one can even start to help you, all we can do is just guess.

    A few months ago, i found one server that had been "got at" and had google blocked by useragent in the server config files .... they lost all serps for all on that server as well, and wondered why they had been penalized, but they gave site details so people could actually TRY to help.

    100 sites of yours, all penalized at the same time .... either you have done the same something very wrong to ALL of the sites, or it's something else.

    load them as external to the page.

    Lack of links? Lack of content? No reason to be in the index?
    When starting to put together a site, Block via robots text till you have something to show them.
     
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  9. GE Master

    GE Master Member

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    Thank for your replies. I do appreciate it.

    I'm sorry for not posting urls/keywords. I am very reluctant to do this. I'm overly protective. I guess I don't understand how posting my urls can clear up my Google penalty situation. What I'm saying is, 95% are in a certain keyword, and 5% are completely unrelated. It's confusing because even unrelated websites were penalized. There is no way these are connected as spam (like example.com, example.net, example.ca). Really the only common thread is the fact I used a template, with a lot of duplicate head content because of the scripts.

    I have been removing this head content one piece at a time and then resubmitting to Google. Each time, same result. Penalty remains. The only thing in my mind right now is this.

    Is it possible that Google expects me to correct all 100 site first? In other words, correcting, then resubmitting 1 site is futile because of the other 99 sites that I haven't changed yet. It sound bizarre, but is this possible? I have 1 shot left. I will strip the entire head content out of 1 site, resubmit and see. I'm fearful of that though, because getting denied again will crush me. If I strip the site completely and still have a penalty, then I'm completely lost.

    Honestly, I will never consider blocking a robot. Surely to god the internet hasn't been taken over to the point that a site has to be pretty or be 10 pages before it gets indexed. I'd rather quit now. The internet isn't owned by anyone. If my site sucks, then it shouldn't rank and people won't visit or stay. It's called freedom.
     
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  10. vagrant

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    so out of your 100 penalized sites, 95 of them are targeted at the same keyword, on the same server, same ip, same whois info .... hmmm that speaks volumes it's self... it's called trying to spam google search results, of course they will knock you back for doing that.

    They don't rank now tho do they?

    Instead of trying to start 100+ sites all with one page until you have time to add more content, you would do far better to start one ... give it a reasonable amount of content ... get some back links to it, then add your next site.... otherwise it looks to the search engines like spam and will get dropped.
     
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  11. Chancey

    Chancey Well-Known Member

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    100 sites.

    You are expecting to be on top of Google for those 100 sites?

    How many hours are you working for it?

    You would be better with working with 3 to 5 sites.
     
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  12. ~kev~

    ~kev~ Well-Known Member

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    Single page sites that used javascript? And you want to complain about getting a penalty?

    The theme had nothing to do with it. The lack of content had a lot to do with it. You can not call 1 page real content.

    Why build 100 sites with one page? Sounds more like spam then anything else.

    One site with 100 pages would have been a lot better off then 100 sites with one page.

    Anyway, it sounds like you were spamming sites, or trying to target certain keywords, got caught and your sites got what they deserved. You can not setup a single page and call it a "site" - that is not how things work. A real site has real content on it.
     
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    I'd like to suggest a compromise. If GE Master wants lots of sites for whatever reason, then why not have 33 sites with 3 pages of content each or 20 sites with 5 pages of content each? Then we can all be happy.
     
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  14. Michaelr

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    Try clearing all content off one and wait for it to index and see if your penalty is lifted as this worked for me.
    If that works then do a couple at a time! Watch out linking each site to each other in the footer or similar as google is not that keen on it!
     
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  15. GE Master

    GE Master Member

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    I think we are all becoming brainwashed honestly. Think about the internet. Who are you to say that a 1 page website sucks or doesn't deserve to be indexed? Beyond that, ask yourself what the issue is that you have about a 1 page website being on the internet.

    Spam is what exactly? We are brainwashed to the point that we cannot allow ourselves to have more than 1 website on a certain subject? If I do have more than one, then I'm a spammer? If I'm not targeting the same keywords, how is that spamming? If I'm advertising what I'm selling, how is that spamming? More than 1 is spam? Or is it more than 10? You tell me.

    Again, who are you to say what is or isn't real content? I think that is called God complex. See, if my site sells shoes, and the title is "shoe store", anyone who click my site from search results did so because why? Well, because they want a shoe store. So, if my site is only 1 page, and I'm an affiliate, then I don't deserve to exist? I'm manipulating in what way? People are searching "buy shoes", my site is a "shoe store", who the hell cares about my website so long as I'm selling shoes?? I provide what people want! Is that dishonest or not worthy of being indexed?

    I'm a little scared of the mentality out there right now. Lot's of judging going on. Saying what is or isn't worthy content. Or saying what is or isn't spam, or suggesting how many websites on a given keyword one individual is permitted. Last time I checked nobody owned the internet.

    I do appreciate the comments. I don't appreciate anyone looking to play God which seems to be happening more and more. Remember this. You aren't the quality police. I'm a website if a search engine indexes me. It's not my fault if I'm ugly, small and new. They indexed me and now I'm a website. They came to me, I didn't come to them...
     
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  16. JanetBandivas

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    What are you sure about that..? That seems to be indeed horrible in
    your case same as here..
     
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  17. dcristo

    dcristo Illustrious Member

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    I doubt it's the header scripts that are causing the problem. Maybe you went overboard with interlinking all your sites? Difficult to say when we can't look at your sites.

    You post is kinda turning into a rant. And I disagree with you for the most part. Google can judge all they want. It's their search engine to do what they please. It's common knowledge they dislike thin affiliate sites. They not only want to provide relevance but a good user experience. If you offer no real value apart from being an affiliate, then you can run into issues. You can choose to do something about it, or continue to whinge about it and get no google love.
     
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  18. ~kev~

    ~kev~ Well-Known Member

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    When so many sites are created, its usually to try to corner the market on a certain keyword. The internet is about information, and the free exchange there of. The internet is not for someone to corner the market and have a monopoly.

    Having 100 - 1 page sites does not create quality sites. They are spam sites. And what is spam? Its useless post or pages and do nothing but try to create a sale, or drive people to a certain page. Spam is not about information, its about squeezing a sale or promoting a product.

    The internet is called the information super highway for a reason. And the internet is not your own little personal spam zone. Its about creating real content, and real pages, and real sites and creating real information.
     
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    What we think is totally irrelevant. If you want to rank in G SERPs, what matters is what G thinks. People are telling you that what you've done will be seen as spam. Go ahead. Plead your case to people here. It won't make a bit of difference.

    Do you think you're going to convince G to make a special exception for your sites? Bottom line: if you do things that G feels is spam, you wont rank, period.

    /*tom*/
     
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    the template's probably got dodgy links in the JS or something but as everyone has said we cant diagnose or help without knowing the sites..

    that leaves you as just another forum whiner unfortunately.

    & Google doesnt owe you anything you know.
     
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