That's where the program is flawed and will fail. You have to depend on manual work by other webmasters the way it is described so far to achive that. That will be the downfall, PERIOD! If we could count on people to do this and manage hundreds of pages and more links manually, link trading would work. I can not see this part of the program ever having success. You just can't conut on people no matter how good their intentions. Put up a link, wait for the other webmaster to recip and it's all manual. In the mean time, if they don't comply in the seven days, you flew their ad for free, now have to remove it and play pick another webmaster.
Then you should understand that this post is for the benefit of all of us here...it is not a rant. It is my experience and feelings around LV. If you don't like what I have to say... Then don't read it, it's that simple. You probably should have checked with LV before posting a meaningless dumb comment like this. Agreed...it's just frustrating when you put hours a day into creating ads only to find out that your links back are constantly changed or simply not on the pages they are supposed to be. I agree with this as well. Not sure if failure is a certainty, though. These guys seem like they are willing to do what it takes. If they can react fast enough they may not lose too many members. I have tried countless times to get back into their forum...THE SERVER IS TOO SLOW. I managed to get in last night and read what some have said. It appears I am not alone in my thinking. I will try to login again later Domenic, thanks.
No program is perfect and yes its new, and will take time to mature. I moved most of my sites over i have a few to try and compair the 2 (LV & DP) and ya i took a hit the in SE, but im starting to get my links back in less than 1-2 weeks.. LV has many good features (depending on referals, but your sites count as referals) http://www.link-vault.com/faq.asp Level 1 (1 referral) –Vaultage bonus up to 250 Level 2 (2 referrals) – Vaultage bonus up to 500 plus extra extra urls Level 3 (4 referrals) – List of pages your links have been placed Level 4 (7 referrals) – List of links placed on your site(s) and where Level 5 (10 referrals) – Simply up down stats tracking for adverts with brief history Level 6 (13 referrals) – History graphs to display the past performance of your adverts Level 7 (16 referrals) – Unlimited URL allowance SO I can see what site/page my sites are linked to I can see what sites or linked to my site/pages My pages load just as fast with or without link vault code. auto update - I dont have time to manually update all my sites when new code comes out, its done automatically. this is not the default, you have to setup this way. Theme bases links..not to bad just need more site to join to get better Permanent Static links.. i like these.. save me time exchanging links these are just a few of the reasons i moved to link vault
noppid, do you even use link vault or are you just pissing in the breeze again? The only work required from other members of link vault is to put the code on the pages they want to display links once! That's it.
Actually bloodwrath it's just changed, but they haven't updated the faq page. Now everyone gets the first 5 levels of features and a % weight bonus (think it's 5%) for referrals.
Do you always come off so charming when you don't get the answer you want? What part of each page is seperate and needs the code added by hand to each to be specifically different makes it easy? I'm asking, not telling and you are no help convincing me you are right with half baked answers. If I am wrong in my understanding correct me. Is every page unique? Does every page require unique code installed to be unique? Can I install one file site wide and get each page reconized as unique and have the proper unique ad show on that specific page only? Help me out here, pissing at me is not helping the cause really. I don't want to see them fail, but it's obvious they are right now. Whether it's bad code, slow server, or bad members, the fact remains, they are young and are out of resources early in the game. They did not grow that large either, that I aint buying. So what's up? Correct me with the facts please.
Don't forget about creating the ads. To me that's where all the work is. The system and user interface is good. But admin and policing of the said links is where I am coming from. If I log in today, spend a couple hours making ads, they are sometimes approved withing 24 hours. Then we wait for placement unless the links you create are pointing to non cached pages. Then you wait and wait to maybe get placement. It is probably better that you don't create ads for non cached pages because you will probably wait a long time for link placement. I have seen this and love the idea, but the network must function as a network first. All these incentives are simply NFG if server goes down, links aren't being placed fairly, webmasters are cheating the system, etc. So IMO, there are bigger issues to sort out before we start benefiting from these great perks.
noppid, The link vault setup is exactly like coop. An external php file, a text file, and include code added to each page (or once to header/footer files). Every page gets unique ads to that page.
Sorry for that, you tend to post a hell of a lot and have annoyed me lately. I'll get over it. If you want to allocate ad space sitewide, you just ad the code to your footer or where ever you want. Like the coop, this same set of code calls info from their server. No need to make an addition page by page by page one at a time or anything crazy like that unless you want to... to pick and choose which pages you allow ads on and which ones you don't. I think the confusion on this comes in as you don't have to include the code on every page. One of the good points I believe is you can choose to only allocate ad space on a page by page basis. The reason why your weight or 'vaultage' is used up slowly is you can specify in the control pannel for each ad you run, the number of links to acquire each day. The advantage being you are able to acquire the links gradually rather than all at once, allowing for a more natural link building campaign.
...plus, as previously mentioned, 'auto update' which is optional, but if you elect to have this you never have to update again.
So why do folks say, "then you have to wait for the webmaster to add the link?" You lose me there. Add the link where? Why do you say each page? That is a confusing term. So if I added this to my site that uses one common footer and has 900 pages indexed, each with a unique name, a user can request to show their link on a specific page and that will happen without me or them doing anything else? For all 900 pages?
You have no control on which sites add your link as with the coop. All a webmaster has to do is add the LV code and the system takes care of the rest. Supposedly once enough sites are in the program, links will be added to sites by theme.
Links currently are added by theme first, then if there isn't a theme, the links are placed whereever there's place in the network.
Homer how come it takes you a few hours creating ads? Their server was pretty slow when it was getting upgraded but it takes no time now. I agree there are some issues to sort out with what sites are allowed in to be linked to, but on the same token don't want to be linking to uncached pages. My sites are well established, so linking to several pages goog has never seen before isn't probably such a good idea.
The webmaster doesn't ad the link, link vault does. Yes you can ad the code to one common footer. Only the link vault admins know what space is available. You write an ad, specify the language, theme and number of links to place each day and submit.. that's it.
You guys lost me, I thought the point of LV was to put the ads in specific places? I just don't think anyone really knows the real intention or how it works to be honest. No ill will meant, I'm sure as they grow, they will improve. However, even if it hurts your feelings, It's not going well right now by the feedback being given.
No feeling hurt here noppid, LV is basically the exact same thing as the coop except for the static versus rotating links and the planned exclusively theme based links (infiniterb, you are right unless your site category is thinly populated). Of course LV is in it's infancy so there are bugs and growing pains that need to be worked out
The point for me is static links, and lots of them. You know if you register, you can knock around in the control pannel and see how it's set up, without adding the code to any of your sites.