Muslims whip 14 year old girl to death - her crime? Being raped.

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  1. samantha pia

    samantha pia Prominent Member

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    #41
    what do you expect from people that still crap in the woods?
     
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  2. Vebtools

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    #42
    Thanks for asking a question about my religion

    Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)

    During the time when Umar (raa) was the Khalifah, a woman accused his son Abu Shahmah of raping her; she brought the infant borne of this incident with her to the mosque and publicly spoke about what had happened. Umar (raa) asked his son who acknowledged committing the crime and was duly punished right there and then. There was no punishment given to the woman. (Rauf)

    Please read the fatawa below:
    http://www.islamset.com/bioethics/obstet/rape.html
    Rape
    Rape is a grave sin and a major legal crime on the part of the assailant, and if legally proven it may be punishable by death. The assaulted woman, however, would not be considered a sinner, since she was overwhelmed and could not be blamed for it. The Quranic rule applies: "If one is forced, without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then he is guiltless, For God is Oft-Forgiving Most-Merciful. ' , (2:173)
     
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  3. sar420

    sar420 Notable Member

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    #43
    You can't resist bashing India can you, subtly or overtly. Of course torture is illegal, but yes its rampant. Not like it doesn't happen in Romania or even the US
     
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  4. ApocalypseXL

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  5. sar420

    sar420 Notable Member

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    #45
    Its a UN treaty that India is yet to ratify...but domestic laws clearly state its illegal. Did the US ratification of this UN convention have any affect on Gitmo? Or lets say the treatment of Bradley Manning? And you really think there is no torture in African prisons just because they've ratified that treaty? Naive...
     
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    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #46
    Do you really think Manning is being tortured? Hell, do you think he is being treated any different than the other prisoners in his detention facility? Do you think people are being tortured at Gitmo? If so, I'd like to see the evidence. We can have a discussion about water boarding, which has not been used in some time, but the rest of these generalizations are ridiculous. Apoc isn't even American so I'm hard pressed to figure out why you decided to take a whack at the US because he made an offhand remark about India's reputation for torture.
     
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  7. babak44

    babak44 Active Member

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    #47
    disgusting, horrible and shameful. how could they done it.
    I think this is not just because of Islam but poor culture and brutul people.
    first of all that judge shall be hang. where's the UN, this is crime against humanity I think.

    you can't compare these event with what happened to that poor Bangladeshi child.
    they done it by court and laws so different by individual persons.
     
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    #48
    I'm so glad you just talk about things which know well

    I read that verse for sure and that was somewhat different than you described.

    I guess it's about eat swine meat..
     
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  9. ApocalypseXL

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    #49
    Ya India is a saint and everybody is a monster :rolleyes:
     
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    #50
    Sorry if I am generalizing but the intention was not to take a whack at the US...I certainly read about Manning being ill-treated in media reports and that's all I have to backup my claim. My intention was to get it into apocalpyseXL's Xtra Large head that treaty ratifications do not stop countries from using torture as a means of gleaning out information, even if they are developed countries like the US. I would have preferred to give an EU example since he is so enamored of it but I did not have the time to look it up.

    You have to roll eyes when you get shut up as usual ;)

    I never said India is a saint, its just that you try and bring up India as a villain in every possible thread, even if it has nothing to do with India. If you see one of my replies above I said: Of course torture is illegal, but yes its rampant So you see, I am not denying at all. In fact I said its rampant. But you don't have to send those Bangladeshi criminals to an Indian prison, Bangladeshi prisons would b torturous enough. If you still want to give them some foreign torture, why not import them to Romania? Use some witchcraft too :D
     
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    #51
    Here's the deal a implemented torture law won't prevent torture 100% since it's imperfect law implemented by imperfect humans . However it sure beats the hell out of no law at all .

    Sar like the overwhelming majority of indians you can't stand someone criticizing your country :p The fact is you politicians where to stupid or lazy to implement a vital international law and that makes torture legal under international law , at least in India . How about taking your patriotism with a large pinch of salt ?

    http://www.achrweb.org/reports/india/torture2010.pdf

    http://www.article2.org/mainfile.php/0204/97/

    http://sanhati.com/articles/1660/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...matically-torturing-civilians-in-Kashmir.html
     
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    sar420 Notable Member

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    #52
    In the last thread you were badmouthing India without substance, you couldn't come up with a reply to my point here. Come up with a proper reply there and I will take out my precious time to rebutt your random link distribution here
     
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  13. Vebtools

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    #53
    you are right about the verse, but i have written or you can say used a world "Quranic Rule" A rule which is told by Allah that you can not force any one for any thing.. (rape is also done by force)

    from above The Quranic rule applies: "If one is forced, without wilful disobedience nor transgressing due limits, then he is guiltless, For God is Oft-Forgiving Most-Merciful. ' , (2:173)
     
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    #54
    The above is in the Quran????

    What exactly would Allah be forgiving her for -
     
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  15. babak44

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    #55
    Quranic Rules!! You can pretend and assume anything as you like and make equality for meat and a little girl and don't know maybe space ship but that verse of Quran was clear and for sure you can read (2-172) too.
    He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, but if one is forced by necessity (starving), without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then he is guiltless. For Allah is Oft-forgiving Most Merciful.
    If you love to add other things it back to you.
    Anyway we aren't machine or robot, we are human being and can tell or opinion as a human. That was a little girl 14 years old and in the other side a mature married guy.
    I guess if that happened in USA or Europe then that bastard shall stay in jail for a long time.
     
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    pharshal36 Active Member

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    #56
    first to rape an innocent girl n wen she died in hospital.. den rapiest feel guity..its not justice with her..he should b hanged untill death..
     
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    #57
    Wrong.

    Wrong.

    No shit?
     
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    #58
    People just can't come out of religion still in 21st century.
    Dont they realize, some laws created before thousands of years do not apply today?

    killing a 14yrs old girl is still a brutal act. How her parents will accept this ? They are even helpless to save her. what kind of judgment is this ?
    blaming on any religion or country is easy, but I haven't found any perfect place to leave without crime without racism.
     
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    #59
    you are going to focus on one incident in Bangladesh.
    did you see this only in an Islamic country like Bangladesh?
    what's happening in streets of INDIA in every minute and what's rap ratio in this country?
    what's happening in streets of USA in each and every moment what's the same in USA?
    will any responsible answer this?????????
     
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  20. cientificoloco

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    #60
    Calm down. The issue here is not the rape (bad thing of course) but the fact that the girl was punished for it. Raped girls don't go to jail in the other countries.
     
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