Muslims Students Beat Professor and Wife for Refusing to Convert to Islam

You're spamming in that post. We heard you; actors. We just don't believe you.

 

shocking and disgraceful !!!!
this is what happens to students when you preach hatred from a very young age (in schools)

May be these retards r may be whole college needs a mass counseling with a monarch
I heard about forced conversions in the sports sector in pakistan and few gulf nations (through a few articles), if a player wants to reach his goals he has to be an muslim it seems else he will not be allowed to have fruitful results,

come on fellas!!! If the professor was preaching christ, you could condemn him, this poor fella fathe of "4" was preaching a total different subject and not a religion, why the hell does this matter to you ? Is he by any means violating Islam laws by asking probably girls not to wear hijabs ? no rite ?

damn man!!! its insane

 

Thanks for the heads up! I've sent them a nastygram notifying them of the issue and requesting additional information or a retraction of the story

What Muslims call "hate sites" tend to have the most accurate information.

Which two? Of the thousands, which two are actors?

Read what you wrote. The two statements are identical in meaning. "go and kill people and stop after they convert" is the same as " if your enemy surrendered and decided to be Muslims then Don't fight them."

Yes, and I believe that you are just playing dumb. You know that the verse commands Muslims to kill non-Muslims unless they 1) convert or 2) submit to Islamic domination and pay tribute (jizya).

 

They have to shutdown their network of 9 sites, if they listen to you. Not a single article I've read there is with local source.

Not this one. Its a Christian propaganda site targeting every other religion including Buddhism. I checked few articles on their site and their source is only CDN, no external source mentioned in any articles I checked. If they were a legitimate news network (as they are showing news on crime against Christians from 33 countries including Israel, without pointing to a local source) like AP with corespondents all over the world, their site wouldn't be registered on a P.O Box.

 

Jesus Wmghori,

Fact finding? Logical and reasonable presentation of legitimate evidence? I'm not sure what to say. I have to admit I'm a little stunned right now. You think you could apply those skills to the many Muslim based hate sites out there? For instance, I didn't hear you pipe up in the many threads that tried to allege the US somehow has a legitimately higher rate of rape than most Islamic countries. Care to apply your(new found?) logic and reasoning skills to that little argument?

 

The first one I checked, Church Closure in Indonesia Called Unconstitutional at Hearing is also covered by the Jakarta Post, Bekasi regent sued for sealing under-construction church.

But... any factual errors should be cleaned up and steps should be taken to reduce factual errors in the future.

The problem is... that goal is almost impossible because Islamic governments tend not to record religion-based crimes and they also tend strongly to suppress publication of such crimes.

So, if a woman is killed... and it's not in the paper... does that mean she wasn't killed? Hmmm... probably not. Sticky, real sticky.

 

Here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#UN_Statistics

Top3 on the list:
South Africa
Canada
United States of America

Last one on the list:
Saudi Arabia

Above numbers satisfying enough for you? Its based on UN report. Here is the 2008 report about sexual crimes by UN http://www.unodc.org/documents/data...ual_violence_sv_against_children_and_rape.xls
http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/crimedata.html

I'm sure there are lots of cases which don't get reported in Muslim countries as well as non-Muslim. Found a site referring to similar statistics by InterPol. I'll post the link of reference to the InterPol after finding it.

 

It's pretty silly to compare cultures which do report to cultures which don't report.

 

hm. the web and spreading rumors can be a terribley 'effed up place feeding partisan perspectives of all types. Its potentially incendiary. This is a headline and a story line I could believe. It appears it was totally made up. Of course this stuff happens all over the place with utterly b*llsh*t stories getting momentum. The one that grabbed my attention and hit DP P&R before was the crazy totally fabricated story about Israel unleashing a dam during Spring Rains to flood Gaza.

Israel doesn't have a dam, let alone a dam that could do that.

Lotta messy stuff on the web.

 

According to RAINN, 60% of rapes don't get reported in US. Kind of a similar culture, if comparison is reporting.

Story fabricators do tend to left out minor details like that.

 

Because 60% is so close to 99.999%...

 

The US doesn't persecute women for reporting rape. if 60% is the number in the US, the number is 99% in Saudi Arabia(as Will points out) making Saudi Arabia's numbers completely meaningless. Lets also not forget that, as thegr4 says, forcing sex on your wife is not rape per Muslim beliefs, so who would report a non-crime. Where are your logic and reasoning skills now?

 

Ok lets do the math. Correct me if I'm wrong.

US Rape rate (per 100000) = 32.5 (60% percent of it is 19.5) Total rape rate 52 per 100,000
SaudiaArab Rape rate (per 100000) = 0.27 (100% percent of it is 0.27) Total rape rate 0.54 per 100,000

Thats according to "thegr4", husband can't force sex on wife as per Muslim beliefs (unless they are in some kind of role playing).

 

and if saudi called the same thing rape that we called rape, we might guess that 80% of the population is guilty of it, bringing your numbers to.... well you do the math.

 

have you really read the verse which was mentioned?

Qur’an 9:29

“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or the Last Day, who do not forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, or acknowledge the Religion of Truth (Islam), (even if they are) People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizyah tribute tax in submission, feeling themselves subdued and brought low.”

when you are in a country you have to follow its law. and the verse simply showing it that fight with those who does not pay capital tax, even they are people who does not believe on Allah.

Even this rule of Islam is now followed by your own countries too. did the people who does not get punished if they does not pay their tax?

Please stop using Islam to misguide other members and visitors, like you did by posting fake news in the thread

 

Numbers not speaking in you favor? Rape definition is same worldwide.

 

Actually - in Islam a man can rape his wife; they say it isn't rape. Thegr4 has been saying that for days now. Not one Muslim argued with him - not ONE.

Here we say rape is unwanted sex forced on someone. Anyone. Married or not.

 

We also don't beat and imprison women who report rape.

WmgHori, you are obviously bright enough to figure out when information on a site is bogus, why can't you drop the hypocrisy and own up to the obvious fact that rape statistics from any country that arrests women for reporting rape are meaningless? Why make stupid claims that the definition of rape is the same the world over? Do you seriously choose religious beliefs over common sense?

 

Sura 24:13, Verse 13 makes reporting a rape useless unless the woman has four witnesses. How many rapists attack women with witnesses around?

Why did they not produce four witnesses ? Since they produce not witnesses, they verily are liars in the sight of Allah.​

This was the law in Pakistan until the Women's Protective Bill of 2006. It is still enforced in other parts of Dar al-Islam.

In addition, Pakistan appears to currently allow the rapist to blame the victim for the assault. Quoting from Qanun-e-Shahadat Order:

when a man is prosecuted for rape or an attempt to ravish, it may be shown that the prosecutrix was of generally immoral character.​

More from Wikipedia:

The Offence of Zina (Enforcement of Hudood) Ordinance, 1979 was a subcategory of the Hudood Ordinance. Zina is the crime of non-marital sexual relations and adultery. The Zina Ordinance included zina-bil-jabr, the category of forced intercourse. If the woman who accuses a man of zina-bil-jabr (rape) cannot prove to the judicial system that she was raped, she faces adultery charges[9]. In order for a rapist to receive "hadd," the maximum punishment provided for under the Quran, either the rapist must confess to the rape, or four pious adult Muslim men must witness the "act of penetration" itself and testify against the rapist[10]. Under Qanun-e-Shahadat, a woman's testimony was not weighed equally to that of a man[11]. Thus, if a woman does not have male witnesses but does have female witnesses, their testimony would not satisfy the evidence requirement. The perpetrator may be acquitted and the victim may face adultery charges. The threat of being prosecuted discourages victims from filing complaints.​

Plus, Muslim men are allowed to rape their wives without any "crime" being recorded:

In addition, the legal possibility of marital rape was eliminated; by definition, rape became an extramarital offense according to the Zina ordinance. The ordinance prompted international criticism. Women's rights groups helped in the production of a film titled "Who will cast the first stone?" filmmaker by Sabiha Sumar to highlight the oppression and sufferings of women under the Hudood Ordinances.[12]​

But surely no sane person of any religion would punish a rape victim?

Well... back to Wikipedia...

In 1983, an orphaned, thirteen-year old girl Jehan Mina was allegedly raped by her uncle and his sons, and became pregnant. She was unable to provide enough evidence that she was raped. She was charged with adultery and the court considered her pregnancy as the proof of adultery. She was awarded the Tazir punishment of one hundred lashes and three years of rigorous imprisonment[14].

In 1983, Safia Bibi, a nearly blind teenaged domestic servant was allegedly raped by her employer and his son. Due to lack of evidence, she was convicted for adultery under the Zina ordinance, while the rapists were acquitted. She was sentenced to fifteen lashes, five years imprisonment, and a fine of 1000 rupees. The decision attracted so much publicity and condemnation from the public and the press that the Federal Shariah Court of its own motion, called for the records of the case and ordered that she should be released from prison on her own bond. Subsequently, on appeal, the finding of the trial court was reversed and the conviction was set aside[15].​

But let's not pretend this is only a Pakistani issue. Let's look at relatively advanced UAE:
Woman who reported rape jailed for one year

...
They said that, HA, 19, then called five of his friends – four Emiratis and one Iraqi – and invited them to join him in raping her in the backseat of his Nissan Altima. Charges against one defendant were later dropped.
...
Prosecutors said the fact she agreed to go with him alone in the car partly showed her consent to sex.
...​

Because she agreed to go in the car they forced her to drop the accusation of rape! To the Islamic court, no rape occurred! Scratch another one from the rape statistics list.

And then there's the rape victim in Saudi Arabia who was sentenced to 100 lashes -- and when she appealed they doubled it to 200 lashes to punish her for appealing[/url]. Her lawyer was also disciplined for the crime of appealing!

And let's not forget the Bangladeshi woman who was sentenced to 101 lashes for becoming pregnant while being raped -- while her assailant was not punished in any way.

Seriously, WTF? No moral person could argue that rape statistics published under these circumstances bear any relation at all to reality.

 

Stop fabricating your own verses.

The verse did NOT say fight those who do not pay tax. There are middle eastern countries which do not ask for taxes.
The verse said FIGHT those who do not believe in allah and his prophet. That was the first command.
Did it mention Fight Muslims who do not pay tax? No!

What if someone cannot afford to pay the Jizya (Like many Christians & Jews in the past) ? They were either forced to be converted or killed.