Muslims pls read- Hadith about dogs goes against quran

When I read about President of Iran confiscating dogs and saying they are "dirty and un-islamic" I was very angry (still am). I am worried about the kind of animal abuse this may contribute to. I also know that no religion can be respected if it promotes animal cruelty. President of Iran is incorrect and is teaching false information. I actually went to some islamic websites that are stating this hadith is a lie because it goes against teachings of the quran.

Please research this. Do not believe just because it is a hadith, especially if it goes against quran. Here is what some islamic websites are saying:

"Fabricated hadiths contradict the Quran. Many of them narrated by Abu Hurayra. Abu Hurayra, whose name is translated as , father of the little cat, hated dogs and women and from his mouth came many hadiths that insulted women and cursed the dogs and make them undesirable animals that need to be avoided and in other hadiths killed." source


"However, by studying the Quran we find no such claims. Nowhere in the Quran are dogs prohibited. Consequently, we must dismiss all these hadith that fabricate lies against the prophet.

1- God tells us in the Quran about the story of the dwellers of the Cave (Surah 18)......in verse 13 God tells us that they were good believers and that God guided them.

In verse 18 God tells us that they had their dog with them.

Now if dogs are prohibited and dirty, would God speak of those dwellers of the Cave (who had a dog) as good believers?

2- In 5:4 God tells us that it is OK to eat what the trained dogs catch (dogs are used in hunting)..........if dogs are dirty would God say that it is OK to eat what they catch with their mouths?

3- There is not ONE verse in the Quran where God says that dogs are dirty or that they are prohibited to keep.

4- Is it logical that God would create an animal to be man's best friend and serve him in many ways, and then prohibit such an animal?" Source


If you want me to find more, I will be happy to. Please do not think dogs are bad.

 

more reading.... in here maybe too much, but for you i think it will be a good reading...

 

Sorry to go a little off topic here, but also in the Quran there isn't a single verse that mention Jerusalem either. It's only the hadith. So on this points(dogs and Jerusalem) we should forget about the hadith.

 

Very good job Rebecca. Thank you for posting this.

 

I'm sure that the author of the quran has taken the issues about the dogs from the scripture and completely missunderstood the meaning when it says "Dogs can't enter the Kingdom"

It means spiritually - Dogs don't have the spirit of god or access to it.

 

why it only mention about dog?
why not juts "Animals can't enter the Kingdom"
between animals, only dogs that don't have spirits of god?

 

Thanks. I like this,
"Reflecting the prominence of animals in the divine scheme of things, many surahs are named after animals in the Qur’an: The Cow (surah 2), The Cattle (surah 6), The Bee (surah 16), The Ant (surah 27), The Spider (surah 29), The Elephant (surah 105). Thus we see that Islam sanctifies life in all its aspects, omitting nothing from its embrace."

My opinion is that the hadiths seem corrupt, promote violence and contradict the quran. From what I have read, I guess I can have some respect for the quran though.

 

Hi Rebecca, thanks for doing the research and pointing out the errors.

Also, I would just like to point out that "submission.org" comes up big in Google search results and that is why it is cited as source by many. I am not saying you were wrong, just saying that there are sects in Islam too. "submission.org" is not a trusted site and majority of Muslims do not agree with it.

Anyways back on topic, in Islam, every creature is the creation of God and so it is to be respected. What the Irani president did was AGAINST Islam no doubt. Another thing I would like to clarify, Muslims are not allowed to have dogs as pets.

Hope it is clear. Thanks again.

 

Thanks. But why are Muslims not allowed to have pets? Where in the quran does it say that you are not allowed to have a dog? If their are certain hadiths that contradict the quran(which is supposed to be word of Allah), why would a Muslim follow hadith?

From submission.org it says,

"Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution." 31:6

"Again in 41:41-42 "Those who rejected the Quran's proof (Azekr) when it came to them, have also rejected an Honorable book. No falsehood could enter it, in the past or in the future,; a revelation from a Most Wise, Praiseworthy." Seeing how much falsehood entered the so called Hadiths books (99%) would make any sincere Muslim understand the reason these books were so much corrupted." source

My personal opinion, is that Islam minus hadith would actually be considered a religion of peace. Add the hadiths saying you should disrespect women, be mean to animals etc. Then Islam doesn't look so good.

 

Because dogs are very obeying to man and are the closest friends to mankind from the animal kingdom. Dog stands also as an idiom for "false dog" - a kind of tricky ...

 

Rebecca you are right, the Hadith-Bukhari 4:538, prostitute/dog story shows that Islam cares for animals and I found all the contradicting "so called hadith" to be non-authentic sayings by other people not Bukhari and not narated by Abu Huraira. Allah (God) has created all creatures and loves all His creation. Islam even teaches to respect the environment and not to destroy it. Also Islam means peace and Islam teaches to be kind to all including animals. There is a lot of ant-Islamic feelings going around these days due to mass media always focusing on terrorism and blaming it on Islam when genuine muslims in every country are peace loving people (the media doesn't focus on the majority of muslims). It is only on interested that one gets truth on certain websites. I just will mention one here that has opened many peoples eyes which is an amazing lecture/video one can watch online by internet:

http://blip.tv/file/306082

 

Thanks. But on this forum I have heard Muslims say that black dogs are evil, angels will not come in the same room as a dog and dogs are dirty. One nice thing I read about Muhammad is,

"Muhammad's camel, Qaswa, was very dear to him.[19] Cats were especially loved by Muhammad, he himself is said to have had least one cat called Muezza[2]. It is said he loved cats so much that "he would do without his cloak rather than disturb one that was sleeping on it."[19]

Muhammad is reported as having reprimanded some men who were sitting idly on their camels in a marketplace, saying "either ride them or leave them alone". He is also reported to have said: "There is no man who kills [even] a sparrow or anything smaller, without its deserving it, but Allah will question him about it [on the judgment day]," and "Whoever is kind to the creatures of God is kind to himself." Source

But surprisingly on the same page it says Muhammad also said about dogs, "Another tradition attributed to Muhammad states that the company of dogs voids a portion of a Muslim’s good deeds."

"In Hadith literature, it is reported from Muhammad that he issued advice to kill the sinful (fawasiq) animal even within the holy area (haram) of Mecca."

Why such contradiction I wonder?
I could never agree. I love my dog so much, he really is my best friend. He is an indoor dog and I don't believe any g-d would punish me for being kind to animals. I have had dogs all of my life, so according to Muhammad I would be in the minus for good deeds. Yet someone else could come along and torture and kill a black dog, and g-d is proud of them? Doesn't seem right to me.

 

Hi Rebecca, if you want, you can ask all the questions on the SunniForum.com site.

 

OK, they have many rules there but I posted. Here is my post on sunni forum.

 

The main conception that most muslims fail to understand is that there is no problem with having a dog, its just that when a dog 'licks' you (everyone knows dogs salivate like crazy!!) you can not make prayer as you would be classed as unclean- same as if a human would spit on you, you would wash it off.

Nowhere does it say in the Quran that dogs are not allowed to be kept as pets, anyway I believe that the Hadith is whole load of 'chinese whispers' style game put-together, everything has been changed as it has been passed down- and i'm a Muslim

 

Hi Rebecca, glad you posted there. Regarding the submission site, the last post in that thread (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=232482&postcount=12) tells you why that sect is different from Islam.

Oh and nokia, the Quran doesn't tell how to pray, how do you pray then? Only the Hadith has shown us how to pray. You can check out sunniforum.com for more info.

 

Yeah, I read what they said about submission.org, they claim they are not even Muslim. I think they are just saying that because the Muslims from submission.org do not believe in hadiths.

Somehow this experience has made me kind of sad. As I learn more, I realize how different we are and think we may never get along. It is sort of like flying to another galaxy and meeting aliens who think hot is cold and cold is hot. If that makes any sense at all. My dog is a big part of my happiness to me.

I know now what Muslims say, but cannot understand or comprehend it at all. Truly in my heart I do not believe a just g-d would ever have a problem with my dog being in the house. No disrespect meant to you M5Love, because you were nice to try to explain.

 

That is really nice, I am glad you feel that way. Me too.

 

Hi Rebecca, it's not that God hates dogs or any other creature. It's His creation, who hates their creation? You know what I'm saying..

The thing is, it's not that dogs are not welcomed in the house.. the important part is that the dog's saliva like the poster above mentioned, is unclean. When it is unclean and it gets on you, you become unclean too. That blocks you from praying and doing other activities, (ie: eating).. For some it's 'normal' to eat with the same hands that have been touched by a dog's tongue but for some (ie: Muslims) it is not. It's all a matter of cleanliness as I see it. That is why the Prophet mentioned that you can own a dog for guarding/hunting purposes.

Just a bit off-topic here, I saw a lady holding her dog while her child was crying. How can she do that???

 

Maybe this is just too logical for a muslim (by the sounds of it) but have you considered washing your hands at all, if a dog were to lick you?