Muslims murdered 500 Christians - mostly children and women

It seems the origin of your religion and country goes back to a son of rapist and pedophile, after all what is good for goose is good for gander.
It is stupid to try to enforce today's law and morality on things that has happened 1000s of years ago but I suppose while you seem very well informed about Muslims problems, you know very little about your own religion and history.

 

gworld, I could be wrong, Chaos will surely correct me if I am - but you refer to his religion; I'm quite sure Chaos is not in fact a Jew. (Sorry if I'm mistaken, but I don't think I am.)

I'm off to bed, fabulous points Chaos, as always - and gworld, you seem to have become far more despicable, particularly in terms of condoning rape simply because it was so many years ago.

 

you are....
I have no religion. I am an atheist.

Judaism is not the subject of this topic. Nonetheless, by mentioning the story from the jewish bible ... you actually shoot yourself in the leg you moron. The customs of jews and muslims from 1,200 years ago vanished in the case of Judaism. In present day, Jewish female children are never forced to marry their 2nd grade 50 year old uncle. In Islam, they still did not vanish. 9 year old girls are still being married TODAY to and raped by 50 year olds, just like 1,200 years ago.

(p.s. Also previously such marriage in judaism was not widespread as it is in Islam even TODAY, despite the biblical story: In judaism the holy texts are viewed differently than in Islam )

 

I suggest gworld report your post (first line).
Second line, no it's not true, where do you get those info?!

 

You were talking about Islam prophet and I showed that Judaism is no better but great try to muddy the water and make excuses that what Jews did 1000s years ago is different than what Muhammad did.

You are atheist and pigs fly too.

 

intro, you really don't want to start a reporting war here - everyone would end up banned if people couldn't help but QQ over the word "moron".

gworld, it was actually a pretty good point - and Chaos is right - this thread isn't about Judaism so why bring it up? The thread is about Muslims, hence the title. If you want a thread where you can discuss/bash Jews you need to make a new thread.

 

To be fair, I'm sure there are many muslims that would never condone this behavior. However, it doesn't change the fact that islam is used to justify child rape today, even by islamic religious clerics, who seemingly use mo as a role model. In the second to the last example I gave, it was a CNN article that talks about a judge in Saudi Arabia refusing to annul a 8 year old girls marriage to a 47 year old man. The father basically sold his daughter off for owing debts, the mother is trying to get her child back but cannot. From the same article it says, "While rights groups have been petitioning the government to enact laws that would protect children from this type of marriage, the kingdom's top cleric has said that it's OK for girls as young as 10 to wed."

 

All of these are very moving, in particular the last two.

In the second to last it is hard to believe there are still such backward places allowed to exist in this day and age - if that happened here neither the judge or the "husband" would likely live to see the sun go down.

As sick and sad as it makes me feel that people like this are still out there, huge numbers of them, always breeding; it does make me happy that I live in a place where child abuse and the like are seen for what horrific crimes they are and would never be condoned.

 

You have England and USA to thank for existance of such a backward country as Saudi Arabia. Both countries are more or less equally guilty of stopping the progress in middle east and Africa in order to make it easier for them to control and steal their resources.

 

The title is about murder and not about their prophet being a rapist but it seems you think that bashing one religion is OK but it is not permitted to talk about others.
So let me ask you this question, do you think Jacob (Israel) was the son of a rapist and pedophile or do you think one set of rules applies for Muslims and another for Jews?

 

It's country rule (allowing big differences in age to get married), not Islam's - parents chose when will you marry and to who. I know for sure that in Turkey and Bosnia that isn't the tradition, it was long time ago, but now NO. And I'm sure in other countries, it's not because of Islam, but because of tradition. I don't like it, I must confess, but.. and we are so away from topic .
About Aisha and Muhamed, I hope it was both decision.. otherwise one sin

 

This may help (google translated) - she didn't have children with him, and when he married her, he left her with father until she was mature, don't ask questions (why did he married her at first place), first read this.. about ages, there are two-three stories, not only atheists one, but never mind

edit: And one last thing, he didn't married her because of attraction, you can google it why, because he dreamed her three times, and told her he is marrying her because she came from God. What else you don't know, that his first woman was older then him for 15 or more years, I'm not sure now, maybe 19. Other 2-3 (I'm not sure is it 2 or three) were middle-aged, that's why this member told 'it was then', it wasn't strange, it was normal to have more womans, even younger one (but as I can conclude, he didn't married her because of attraction), and all of them had something to bring people from him about Islam.

Disagreements over the years Aiša

There are different opinions about aise age at the time was betrothed to the Prophet and when she married him. According to some opinions of the Prophet Muhammad is engaged Aiša in Mecca, when she was six years, two years after the death of Hatidza, Muhammad first wife, and married in Medina when she was nine years old, and in the first year Ševalu by hidžri. With the Prophet lived nine years, and became a widow at eighteen.

According to another opinion which is based on a calculation Aišinih years Esmi by her sister, Aisa was nineteen when she married the Prophet Muhammad. In fact, says that Esma was twenty-eight years in the first year by Hidžri, and was older than aise ten years, which is the first year after Hidžri had this account to eighteen years. She married the Prophet Muhammad a year by Post, and was betrothed to him with 14 or fifteen years. Esma died in the hundredth year of age in the third year 17 by Hidžri.

Also, there is a position that Aisa was at least ten years at a time when the betrothed, and between quarter past two p.m. years old when she married the Prophet Muhammad.

Life and work aise
Aisa the Prophet had no children. Tradition says a lot about that Aisa was the favorite wife of the Prophet. Abu Musa transmitted hadith: "Perfection is reached, many men and women only: Maryam bint Imran and Asija bint Muzahim, Pharaoh's wife, and Aisa in relation to other women characterized as popara characterized by over other meats"

However, Aisa was very jealous of Hatidza, only the Prophet's wife, with whom he had offspring in spite of the fact that, when she married the Prophet Aisa, Hatidza was already dead.

 

Both double posting ^-^;

gworld - the USA and UK and every other country that supports women's rights has activity fought for many years in Muslim countries; they are not to blame for these crimes.

The thread is about Muslims doing wrong, there are plenty of other threads about Jews, Christians, Atheists, Americans, etc. doing wrong too - keep your crap to those, perhaps?

intro - I am glad you acknowledge that Mohammad raping Aisha was a sin. (You say if they both wanted it, it was not - but of course she was 9 years old, could not have consented and also would have been in terrible pain throughout her ordeal.)

It seems the generally accepted view in Islam that Aisha was 9 at the time of her rape; the reason Islam allows the marriage of 9 year old girls is because they base it on Aisha - they believe that at 9 years old these kids are women and it is legal to make them marry and have sex.

Even the fact that parents choose who marries their 9 year old child is sickening; the child should finish school and fall in love - not be betrothed to an old man.

 

I said that before I saw this (sin)

I see you didn't read it well.. why didn't she have childrens, why there stays he left her at dad until she was mature? don't, please don't try to provoke because it's not working.. Also, I said it's tradition, not Islam rule!
it's not only there, it's in vietnam also

 

One thing is for sure, you don´t know sh*t about geopolitics or the world. Who do you think invented the country of Saudi Arabia and even now keeps the backword rulers of that country in power?

Thank you for by not answering the question showing your true color that women rape and misery is just a political tool for you and you can easily close your eyes to it when it doesn´t suit your needs. Have you ever heard what is good for goose, is good for gander?

 

Yes there are other places just as fucked up as Islam, but in Islam a girl is considered a woman at 9. Would you like a link to a source or do you know your own religion? Also she didn't have children because she was 9 and being 9 she could not conceive.

gworld, I answer everything here provided it is relevant and clearly directed at me - provided you can stop being an ass about it, ask me whatever you like and I'll be happy to answer for you. (Again, provided you aren't an ass about it.)

By claiming that I don't care about the rape of women and what they go through afterward; this is unacceptable. You cannot speak for my personal feelings on any matter; we may debate politics, right and wrong, etc. - but you absolutely may not claim that I believe or disbelieve certain things; particularly on the topic of abuse of women and children.

If what is good for the goose in this situation is your ignoring the tragedy that is rape of women and kids you should take a long hard look at your own life; rape is not OK. Ever. If you believe it is, or attempt to claim that I do, I will not respond to you again - these debates can be heated and emotional, but there are some things you do not get to say or do here, one of which is claiming I don't care about that particular topic.

 

This is a part of the religion and it is called "kisas" : if some person from a family kills someone, victim's family has right to ask him and they have right to kill him unless if there is not any satisfying reason or payment for fine. If all of the family denies Muslim rules then Muslims has right to kill all of the family.

Please Note: I have replied to this part only for Muslims. If you are not a Muslim I will not answer and tell my thoughts to you. Everyone is free in belief.

 

wmaster, good way of thinking, as I can't explain alexis simple thing - to read my post Alexis - she was at her father's house until she was mature. And here I'm ending my discussion with you, fucked up like Islam, oh my God how mean are you actually, ccc, bravo, and I already told you it's not Islam but tradition in those countries, and we're trying to tell you in 10 posts, but your intelligence must be too big to accept it. Thanks, and regards. IN ISLAM, MARRIGE ISN'T APPROVED UNTIL BOTH ARE MATURE (by Islam, when she has need and can have children) - yeah she couldn't have children when she was 9, but why she couldn't have it with 19 years? because I already told you - he didn't marrige her with that reason, he had more womans! First study, then talk!

 

intro - how is "If all of the family denies Muslim rules then Muslims has right to kill all of the family." something you would want someone who already hates Islam to hear? All this has "explained" to me is that even Muslims acknowledge they are backward and barbaric, whether it is their intention or not.

If it is not Islam but simply "those countries" - such as Saudi Arabia, a Muslim country ruled by Sharia law - why is it that Muslim clerics and judges frequently allow such things? Even encourage them?

Perhaps you are condoning polygamy, although I detest that as well - unless of course you also condone polyamory?

How is Marriage not happening until ISLAM thinks a person mature to be a good thing? Islam says a girl is mature at 9 years of age.

Perhaps you need to study, do you have sex education in your country? Do you understand that at 9 a girl is not physically or mentally mature?

This is going in circles now - I believe child rape is wrong and I believe a 9 year old is a child as dictated by law and science. You believe because Islam allows 9 year old to have sex it is OK and must be good. We must agree to disagree.

 

Ohoho, my God my God!
First, master told us (muslims) because he know you will not understand, and you reply "how do you think someone who HATES Islam accept it" - so you hate it ok.
Again, if two of them loves each other, and they want and can have child (sex) -example vietnam, then it's ok. About me and education, I told you if you READ (again I'm telling you READ IT before reply) my last post, I told you girl can't have with 9 years, but he didn't .uck her at 9 and maybe NEVER (d.mn I must say it like this as you dont or wont accept it).

She can get married and not have a sex in those traditions, until she is ready. Again, I'm against that.. talking with you will make me losing info I already have lol.