Muslims lead the world in perverse, abusive and child porn searches.

Rebecca lol
Then no wonder why Chinese employee work hard, they have good bosses!

We have a district in north part of Iran with humid and cold weather, Iranian make them a lot of jokes about men reluctant on sex and women are kind like Chinese! lol
For this reason I told that thing about North West of Europe! lol

 

First of all, your father does not need to be a Muslim, for you to be a Muslim, all of the companions of the prophet converted to Islam. Also being a Muslim is not a nationality, among the companions of the prophet, there was a pPersian, an Ethiopian and even a Roman.

Anyone can claim to be a Muslim, this does not mean you are actually one.

There is a group in America called the Nation of Islam, these guys are not Muslim.

Similarly many of the Sufis and Shia's are not Muslim, because they worship other than Allaah.

The reason they are not Muslim, is because they do certain acts that take them outside the fold of Islaam, you would not understand what I'm talking about because you lack the basic knowledge that you are supposed to know.

You should learn how to turn your statements into valid questions.

 

pardon me I should write
Muslims is who accept Islam or who born from a Muslim father.
who born from a Muslim father is a Muslim. for such guy Islam isn't religion by choice.

 

totally agreed with you...
these peoples are targetting muslims ...
very bad guyss...me also a muslim ..i really feel bad when somebody says wrong about my religion or our community..

 

No, you are wrong again, if someone is born a Muslim, he can at a later stage stop being Muslim, give it up sir.

He/She has the choice later.

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And about that hadeeth, if you read it, you would see that khomeini falls in the third catagory, those who have "apostated", for khomeini is an apostate.

 

in Iran

http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religiontoday/11582099/

In Pakistan

http://www.thepersecution.org/50years/apostasybill.html

in Saudi Arabia

could you explain more and show what Al Bukhaari said?

 

Those links, and those countries you are citing have nothing to do with this.

You have to understand when discussing Islam, you must cite our sources which is Quran and Authentic Hadeeth.

Now, you have brought up some hadeeth relating to apostacy and its punishment.

Ask yourself what does apostacy mean? it is someone who has left Islaam. (ofcourse in those countries they kill apostates, but wether killed or not they still remain non Musli, that was their choice, and they face the consequences.)

So all these hadeeth's actually prove my point that one can actually leave Islam.

There will always be people that claim to be Muslim, but if they do not have the creed of Islaam, and their actions are of polytheism, they simply are not considered Muslims.

Khomeini is a cancer, and has made despicable statements when he was alive, and people like him appear all the time, they have a different religion, but they name it Islaam.

If you want more information directly from the Quran why khomeini and his likes are apostates even though they claim to be Muslim let me know, you don't need bukhari for this, it's very basic, and I'm not suprised you are not aware, because you are from Iran and there is alot of misinformation there.

You also need to learn basics of Islaam, primarily Tawheed, what it means and what nullifies it.

 

How many Holy books does this guy need ? Hey SP convert to Christianity and you'll only need one book . C'mon be sport and save the forest .

Can you please quote me babak ?

 

it's my honor. lol
I guess if SP lives in England then no fear of convert to Christianity!
yeah you right, he need not extra evidence. I think maybe he insists to don't learn but anyway during that we learn a lot ourselves.

 

True. But it also means he/she cease to breath as well

 

Then change your religion and your community. Don't expect civilized people to fall all over themselves praising rape and murder.

Hilarious. Just ignore all evidence that doesn't support your wonky conclusions.

This coming from the retard who ignores the Sahih Bukhari hadith when it disagrees with his bizarre opinions of what is and is not Islam.

So your idiotic statement is that people can leave Islam and it's OK to murder them, but that's OK because they were allowed to leave Islam? WTF is wrong with your head boy?

Selected References on Islamic Apostasy

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them"

Bukhari (52:260) - "...The Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Bukhari (84:57) - "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Bukhari (89:271) - A man who embraces Islam, then reverts to Judaism is to be killed according to "the verdict of Allah and his apostle."

Bukhari (84:58) - "There was a fettered man beside Abu Muisa. Mu'adh asked, 'Who is this (man)?' Abu Muisa said, 'He was a Jew and became a Muslim and then reverted back to Judaism.' Then Abu Muisa requested Mu'adh to sit down but Mu'adh said, 'I will not sit down till he has been killed. This is the judgment of Allah and His Apostle (for such cases) and repeated it thrice.' Then Abu Musa ordered that the man be killed, and he was killed. Abu Musa added, 'Then we discussed the night prayers'"

Bukhari (84:64-65) - "Allah's Apostle: 'During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.'"

Abu Dawud (4346) - "Was not there a wise man among you who would stand up to him when he saw that I had withheld my hand from accepting his allegiance, and kill him?" Muhammad is chastising his companions for allowing an apostate to "repent" under duress. (The person in question was Muhammad's former scribe who left him after doubting the authenticity of divine "revelations" upon finding out that he could suggest grammatical changes. He was brought back to Muhammad after having been captured in Medina).

Reliance of the Traveller (Islamic Law) o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4 affirms that there is no penalty for killing an apostate).​

 

will Spencer
your understanding about Islam always wonder me.

 

I grew up with a deep interest in Communism. When the Soviet Union went out of business I sort of moved on to worrying about the next largest threat to civilization. As a former fundamentalist Christian, Islam seems eerily comfortable to me.

My interest in Islam has increased somewhat in the last decade, due to my wife. She was born into a Muslim family. She's a descendant of Muhammad himself. She ran away from home to avoid being traded by her father into a forced marriage. She gave up everything she had for freedom.

Technically, under Islamic law, she's an apostate and our marriage is invalid and therefore we are committing adultery. It really helps to focus your viewpoint when you realize that your opponents have determined to murder you at the earliest opportunity.

 

one thing can save both of you and as you know it's your acceptance of Islam. by your knowledge in Islam and beside you are a newcomer then you will progress in this matter rapidly!

if you refuse Islam then one of you are in hazard! as you know because of married a Muslim woman you should die and your wife 80 whip. if she admitted that denied Islam before married you then you will save.

yeah you right, in some of Islamic countries for marry a girl you have to pay money to her parents. we haven't such custom here but saw it in some Arabic countries and also between Turkmens.

 

Moving story Will; I'm glad it ended well for her with you as opposed to what could have happened.

 

Christ, it never ceases to amaze me how these guys can turn a moving story and situation like this into a plea for conversion.

Babak, I think Will's "knowledge of Islam" as you so eloquently articulated it (and as Will alluded to) is why his wife left and he speaks in opposition to those beliefs.

Did you miss something?

Nice religion btw. Because my friend married a Muslim he's supposed to die and she's supposed to be whipped? Do you really buy into this garbage or are you saying these things to get a rise out of people here?

Can you at the very least understand why the rest of the world LAUGHS and PITIES Islam and those who follow it?

What boggles my mind more is the fact that most Muslim's I have known will preach like you, but rarely if ever practice. They go through the motions. Hell, they'll even remind us all that porn, booze, and other things are bad. All the while, they're drinking it up, watching the porn. I don't have a problem with either. What I find difficult to grasp is the hypocrisy involved in your religion.

What's even more perplexing is the fact that more often than not, I find that I know more about your religion than you do. In all my years on DP, I'm hard pressed to find anyone that proclaims to be Muslim that actually reads, or has read the Qur'an.

 

Or they could both stay nice and happy the way they are . No need for a conversion IMHO .

 

Might be going out on a limb here, but I believe Babak was making a statement of fact regarding Islam, not a personal recommendation.

 

Oh, I don't dispute that fact. I'm just questioning whether he truly believes its acceptable.

 

trust Obamanation.