and what I am saying to you is, that competition already has existed for 100 years in the global economy: USA vs Mexico. mexico has faired poorly eh? surely if your mexican workers were so good, the mexican economy would be better? or is it that they can only be good workers once they cross the border? Im not. Just as you have tried to do about the American economy in so many threads, I am simply pointin gout about the mexican economy. Does this "fair rule" only apply when criticizing America? btw, mexico hasn't existed as a nation for "thousands of years".
This thread is vulgar. Immigration is a social and economic issue and I have not seen anybody explain in a decent fashion why current levels of illegal immigrations is a bad thing. If you cant explain why you think the influx of people is bad for the economy or bad for society without insulting a whole nation then I would say the real reason for your concern is pure and simple prejudice. I'm off to the new entertainment forum to pick up girls...
What's funny is that California used to be part of Mexico and all the major cities have Spanish names.
Your forgot to include your sources. I don't blindly believe everything I see on the Internet. Do you? Absolutely not, I never said a word in favor of creating huge subsidizes to help Mexico or Mexicans. Before you attribute such beliefs to me you should show us where I ever said anything like that. I don't think any non-citizen, legal or otherwise should receive public assistance. Ever. Let them go back to the country of their origin if they can't make it here. That goes for legal immigrants as well. Yes I do, isn't it obvious? Rick_Michael, I only replied because you ask this of me specifically. I will not waste the time it takes to reply to any one beyond this post. MrMOJO said this is *his* thread so I've bowed out. I have no intention of continuing a conversation in MrMOJO's own personal thread because the more I read, the more convinced I am the he is indeed a bigot. I was under the impression that this forum belonged to Shawn and that he made these threads open to his membership. Didn't mean to trespass, I didn't realize, my bad. Besides, as mistermix said, "This thread is vulgar." I agree with him. Northpointaiki and Gworld et al. are doing just fine at representing my point of view. If you want further comment from me use this: "What gworld and northpointaiki said."
Well I think your bigotted as well, against America for mexico, but I dont think thats a worthy point to make. the point here is; illegal aliens are a detriment to America and her peoples.. her natural and legal peoples. You say bigot because I think we should stop illegal immigration; I say your aiding federal criminals. Now, I said "you came into my thread" as in, the thread I created... not as that I am it's owner, because you told me to leave you alone.. when I was doing nothing more than replying to you calling me a bigot (without founding other than I have a different perspective than you). I find your bias towards criminals, mexico and the mexican peoples and their supposed rights above and beyond those of your countrymen offensive as all hell, but wont begrudge myself to crawl through your mudpit of namecalling in strawman arguments.
How about a large influx of American soldiers immigrating to Iraq? Somehow, I figure you might have a problem with that, eh? Are you predudice against Americans?
You are a liar. I have not aided a single criminal. Ever. I never said Mexicans should have rights above and beyond those of my countrymen. Ever. Everything offensive to you is made up in your own imagination. If it walks like a bigot and talks like a bigot, good chance it's a bigot. Stop playing the part if you don't like the image it creates.
By your stance on illegal immigration, you endorse breaking the law.. federal law. You can name call all you like, it merely proves your mentality. But gains you nothing more than the same amount of respect that you give child.
I've clearly stated that my stance on the law is that it is a bad law and should be changed. Nothing more, nothing less. How does that break any law, Federal or otherwise?
I think speedlimits in the federal hwy system are bad laws... but I dont allow people to bypass them at will, nor do I overlook and entire class of people's crimes because I don't agree with them. the laws are there for a reason. They want a better life, why not fix their govt's?
Stop with all the excuses. You are just a commie that doesn't believe in market economy and virtue of hard work and therefore you want the government to protect your lazy ass by keeping out people who want to work. In a free market economy what is a better alternative, A Mexican who effectively works for 8 hours at $5/hour or an American who only does 2 hours of work in 8 hours shift at $10/hour? Why do you think Americans can not compete in manufacturing section anymore? It is because of all the lazy asses who just want more and more pay for less and less work. Start working and stop complaining about Mexicans.
MrMOJO, You forgot to answer this question. It's a simple question, don't you think? How about an answer. You have the right to think speed limits are bad laws. You also have the right to say you believe it is a bad law and should be changed. In America, that doesn't make you a criminal. In America, my belief that the immigration laws should be changed does not make me a criminal. Until you show me proof otherwise, you are a liar in my opinion. I have broken no laws. As for the rest of your nastiness, "What gworld and northpointaiki said." Now stop trolling.
wow gworld, you really are an odd one aren't you? I didn;t say you were breaking the law I said by your stance, you are aiding illegal aliens by providing sympathy to criminals. So by you implying that I said you broke the law, in fact, makes you the liar, doesn't it?
I can only imagine. I dont know how many times I've already told him that that "free market" challenge pitting American vs mexican employees has been going on for 100 years on the international markets..but he keeps ignoring it... Does he do this alot???
the ignore fuction can work wonders. Gtech you made me go and click 'show post' on his last one darn it.
If you call believing in the virtue of hard work and free market economy odd then I am odd. I am sure you would have been happy in Russia under your uncle Stalin regime with no illegal immigration, going to the factory, drinking vodka on the job and coming home and the government who would have paid you in any case. Start Working and stop complaining about Mexicans.
man, wanting to read his post so I can laugh at him is like needing a cigarette. But.. I have the comedy channel I guess
But I thought you said this was not about race, but illegal immigration? Black Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, American Indians, Pacific Islander Americans, along with "white Americans" - aren't they also footing the bill under your scenario? Again - so that we can deal squarely with our points of contention - is this about race, or illegality?
nice, quote out of context. Tell you what, put the quote back into the context from where it was posted and I shall reply with further defining if you still cannot grasp it.