Muslim Terrorist Group bombs best foreign hotels in Indonesia

talking to you is waste of my time, because you never listen to the facts.
fact one. you spreading lies about indonesia, specially about muslim in indonesia, how muslim in indonesia intimidate non mulsim by bullied or even kidnapped the non muslim, and shariah law in Aceh intimidate non muslim.

fact two. you said in poso, only muslim attacking non muslim.

fact three. you disregards about indonesian laws by forbid abubakar to teach indonesian children.

fact four, you lies about me by telling that i don't care about the future of indonesian children, while i have two of my own. you worried about 20000 children that may or maynot become a suicide bomber while i worried about 10000000 children who lack of educations, barely able to read, working on the street as begger, street singer, pick pocket etc.

how long have you been stay in jakarta? one week? two week?
i think you, the one who trying to take the benefits of the bom accident by making websites, facebook groups and selling t-shirts of indonesia unite. and you not even indonesian.

shame on you!

 

Maybe you should read thru my blog a little bit more and realize that we are doing a lot and there is only so much that anybody can do when people out there are trying to play the international community for a fool.

I have linked to Google results and everything is there. You have linked to Indonesia Matters which is a Muslim run site.
I prefer variety. I prefer showing the news as they come.

So pretty much, you are here defending something that you can't defend.

By the way Abu is still teaching, so why is nobody enforcing the laws? What would happen if he wasn't allowed to?

Are Indonesians that weak that they cannot enforce laws on Muslim clerics?

What have you done for Indonesia other than try to present a good picture to the world?

I am sorry, but I will not let you misrepresent Indonesia here. And the reason this country is so poor is not poverty itself, but the mindset.
The selifishness.

The corruption.

These issues will never be solved.

Not as long as people like you are representing Indonesia.

Again: Look thru our blog again and you might be able to see what sort of programs we are sponsoring.

http://www.indonesiatogo.com/2009/07/18/free-rice-and-cooking-oil/

The tshirts are being sold internationally and when you go on www.indonesiaunite.com you will see that they are free for Indonesians as long as companies are sponsoring it.

I would like for you to show me what you have done here and if you are a part of an organization worthy supporting, I will do so.

I have been here a month. You have been here your whole life.

Feel free to share with us what you have done to make Indonesia a better place and maybe you will get support from someone here.

 

another lies come from you.
lies and lies and lies.

 

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/5945/western-intelligence/

Unfortunately they are hiding their whois info. Any idea who is behind this site?

http://www.indonesiamatters.com/4909/social-networking-sites/


Nabil said that Facebook, any form of online chatting, particularly with foreign men [1], or telephones and SMS allowed young, unmarried people to consort with people of the opposite sex, and that this was haram, but if such sites were used for spreading the message of Islam, or for business relations, or innocent getting-to-know-you, or similar such non-sinful activities then there was no objection. [2]
Read more: http://www.indonesiamatters.com/4909/social-networking-sites/#ixzz0MRJj6FR5


I prefer not to read from sites which allow radicals to spew their nonsense to the world and impact young people in Indonesia forcing them back into isolation from the rest of the world.

When I see a website like that, I will not visit if for information.

What the youth in Indonesia needs to understand is that the West is not against them, but against the things coming from Indonesia.

You cannot expect the world to take Indonesia in with open arms when people do not make any efforts and excuse violence with poverty.

That poverty is not being caused by the west unlike many people in Indonesia will tell you.

America didn't exploit Indonesia. Indonesia is far behind and when you pay attention and give attention to people like that, you will ensure that Indonesia will never progress.


My opinion is that about 80 percent of Indonesians think like you. I know many of the 20 percent who want to see action.

Again: I believe that what you are doing is hold Indonesia back and when the majority of Indonesians is like you, the 20 percent are not very successful with their battle against the forces trying to bring Indonesia back down.

 

then again another lie. they discussing about the fatwa, and most of them are disagree with the fatwa. what you quote is just another news comments that they are quoted. read the comments!
btw, how much money that you get from indonesia united t-shirt selling so far?

 

then again another lie. they discussing about the fatwa, and most of them are disagree with the fatwa. what you quote is just another news comments that they are quoted. read the comments!

Why even pay attention to people like that?

btw, how much money that you get from indonesia united t-shirt selling so far?

Why, are you suddenly interested in raising money for Indonesia Unite?

 

Sorry pizzaman,
I was busy.

It depends.

If these people are transgressors, barbaric and sources of lies and crimes, then surely, He ordered us to kill them.

If they are truthful or seeking the Truth honestly and they are not barbaric, transgressors, then surely, He has forbidden hurting them.

Of course NO.

His creatures other than me are a lot, He has so many soliders.

We just express our love for Him by defending Him, hoping He will look at us.
A look from God is the All Happiness, The Real Life.

O ye who believe! Whoso of you becometh a renegade from his religion, (know that in his stead) Allah will bring a people whom He loveth and who love Him, humble toward believers, stern toward disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah, and fearing not the blame of any blamer. Such is the grace of Allah which He giveth unto whom He will. Allah is All-Embracing, All-Knowing. (54)

The proof of Love is to fight for your beloved, yes?

I am sure that Islam is His teaching, and I hope that I am a real muslim.

Hopefully, you brother will also be granted the real life Islam.

 

Thanks for the glimpse into your view of Islam.

 

thx for comming back to me. but you are still not providing what i asked for. where in quran it say that man has to protect islam

you took my question out of context. i said in protection of islam or quran. but still,although i can not be 100% sure i think even this is not correct. i remember new[another member] posted the three thing that killing is allowed, and none of what you say is included. show me the where in quran it say these things

i do not think god needs any soldiers. all he has to do is want it to be and it will. am i not correct in this?

defending god! do you think god needs defending?!

all that gods wants you to do is in quran. where does it say in quran that he wants you to fight for him or in his defence

you see polite teen i think you are mistaken in the belief that you have to do anything to protect god or islam.
so if you want me to accept this you must show it to me in quran.
if it is not in quran then it is not what god wants.
you show so many things in quran now show me about the protection of islam or god and a muslems responsibility to fight in this regard.
this belief alone is making a lot of unrest in the world. wouldn't be a shame if it was based on a misunderstanding?

 

So who is in charge of deciding who needs to be on the hitlist?

 

God said what means:

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors. (190)

And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (191)

But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (192)

And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. (193)

The forbidden month for the forbidden month, and forbidden things in retaliation. And one who attacketh you, attack him in like manner as he attacked you. Observe your duty to Allah, and know that Allah is with those who ward off (evil). (194)

Spend your wealth for the cause of Allah, and be not cast by your own hands to ruin; and do good. Lo! Allah loveth the beneficent. (195)
[chapter 2]

God created everything in cause and effect.

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Those who disbelieve and turn (men) from the way of Allah, He rendereth their actions vain. (1)

And those who believe and do good works and believe in that which is revealed unto Muhammad - and it is the truth from their Lord - He riddeth them of their ill-deeds and improveth their state. (2)

That is because those who disbelieve follow falsehood and because those who believe follow the truth from their Lord. Thus Allah coineth their similitudes for mankind. (3)

Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. (4)

He will guide them and improve their state, (5)

And bring them in unto the Garden which He hath made known to them. (6)

O ye who believe! If ye help Allah, He will help you and will make your foothold firm. (7) [chapter: 47]

And verily Our word went forth of old unto Our bondmen sent (to warn) (171)

That they verily would be helped, (172)

And that Our host, they verily would be the victors. (173)

So withdraw from them (O Muhammad) awhile, (174)

And watch, for they will (soon) see. (175)

Would they hasten on Our doom? (176)

But when it cometh home to them, then it will be a hapless morn for those who have been warned. (177)

Withdraw from them awhile (178)

And watch, for they will (soon) see. (179)

Glorified be thy Lord, the Lord of Majesty, from that which they attribute (unto Him) (180)

And peace be unto those sent (to warn). (181)

And praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds! (182) [chapter 37]

 

Ok so basically you believe, that all non Muslims need to abide by Muslim rules or they are putting themselves in harms way?

 

it seems to me that these are rules you should observe in defense of yourself and maybe your society. it is not about defense of god or religion. this is very important distinction, because it does not allow agresion against others just because how you feel or what they say or all other non violent deeds , or any effort that they direct against god or islam.

i think the word men might have been inserted in this sentence inappropiatly. if so then it would mean that if you do not follow the word and rule of god you will be unsuccessful. this has a better flow with the rest of this part. but even if the word men belongs there then i would interpret it as follows
no one can destroy islam and divert muslems from gods way. god makes their effort unsuccessful. no need for you to defend

and those that follow islam will be benefited

truth is good and so on

now even when you are at war you also have to follow god's rules. and if you do you will be rewarded and go to heaven. god could have destroyed your enemies but he is testing you to make sure you will follow his rules, even at war
i am going to get a lot of flack about this now, but both in judaisim and in islam the animal is killed by cutting the neck and it is done so it is killed without pain. so i assume that when he say smitten their neck maybe it is with same consideration, and not as a cruelty that you enemy deserves but a mercy that you have to show him

this basicly say that muhammad will win but he must give the enemy a chance to see god's way .

 

Speak for yourself, on the contrary, a lot of Malaysians DO find it to be an issue. Hence, the popularization of the topic itself. People are discussing it whether you like it or not and a lot of people that I spoke to are against it.

Fuck, how diluted can you be? Can you not see the abuse of Human Rights here?

Human rights promise each and every one of us the right to consciousness, yet when Lina Joy wanted to convert to Christianity. NO court in any state in Malaysia, allowed her to do so.

Islam is non-compulsive? Yeah right.

Regarding the model caught drinking, well she wouldn't be caught if the fascist Islamic body didn't RAID the nightclub and check everybody's ID to make sure they weren't Muslims now would she.

What makes they think it's their business to come in to other people's property and impose their Syari'a law upon others who don't even believe in it?

and people wonder why Saddam was such an Islamo-fascist. ;p

It's not the believers, it's the religion.

p/s: It's Muhammad. Don't even let me get started on his dubious characteristics.

 

http://www.indonesiatogo.com/2009/0...rviews-indonesia-to-go-about-indonesia-unite/ Here is our interview with ABC radio Australia with the other members of Indonesia Unite.

 

Thank you for your post. What also governments in countries not respecting human rights have in common is the level of corruption:

http://www.indonesiatogo.com/2009/07/29/corruption-in-indonesia/

And the fact that the people who tell others what rules to live under tend not to follow them themselves.

 

do you know how christianity is spread through Indonesia?

It's through a colonialism, oppression and warfare.

Millions of muslims are killed by forced labor and massacre by christian european in 350 years, while converted indonesian christians (ex muslims) will have slightly better life. Many become low level employees in Dutch offices and exempt from labor.

So, you can say that christianity is the remain of bad past and tragic history of Indonesia people.

But, yet we respect christianity, Easter and Christmas is public holiday, every month, dozens of christian schools are opened throughout Indonesia.
Many christians become top government officials and very rich businessmen.

So, stop condemning Islam, it's easy to do the same to christianity.

I believe in free speech, but respect to others is also as important.

 

Interesting, yet people in Indonesia are allowed to teach children that it is a must for Muslims to kill those who blaspheme against their way of believing.

 

Why are you keep saying this?

Do you have some proofs that Indonesian government is teaching to kill people to children?

Do you have an 'official' indonesian school books that contain teachings to kill?

• You're not indonesian
• You hardly know about indonesian people
• and I doubt you have a proof that our society 'legally and officially' permit indiscriminate killing.

I think that's a silly accusation. All indonesian people will laugh when they read your statement.

 

I have posted the link to the article on the first page. You should really read it. Then you can go ahead and accuse me of lying again.