Very good This is start to discover or understand God...?if you ask more those questions to your self you ll find at last... Allah asked to Angels He will create Human to obey His illicit and obey His Orders... Angels answered: We are already doing those thing and You ll create defeatist human and killing each other?.. Allah told them "Definetly I know things you cant know"...Now for me...Angels cannot do illicits.Not allowed. But human can do or not to do....Human can think and decide good way or bad way with Brain...Now Allah would like to see Who will find God or need to discover God by using their mind...pets three shit plastic or hotdog all are secret to discover God...sometimes we just need to change our position find secrets in deep.
Well, that certainly clears it all up for me... anyone else still have questions? Shoulda led off with "pets three shit plastic or hotdog" line, it's really hard to argue with that.
I guess "ALL" implies "almost all". There are bound to be outliers and exceptions in all cases. However, many people miss out on the fact that terrorists are beyond religion and race. They are barbaric maniacs who enjoy killing innocent people for their stupid causes. They are beyond reason. Pakistan is a good example of this where muslim terrorists end up killing their own brethren in faith - fellow Muslim countrymen. Even in the ongoing terror attacks in India, by a suspected Pakistani terrorist outfit, a few victims are Muslims. That said, there are bigger criminals than terrorists - the bloody politicians who instigate religious hatred and violence!
Nice stance....mind if I kick the soap box out from under you and ask why your still a member of such a group?? You seem intelligent enough to determine you would be better off worshiping the moon like us pagans..
"I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details." . maybe this sentence could hard too for YOU...
I think the OP has done a very good job to answer your questions. Some of you are throwing out some rather silly statements, as is discussed just because one person in a religion thinks something it does not mean that all think the same. I think a lot of people are lacking a serious education and are brought up without any values, it's a sad state of affairs. These people have no religion, I do feel sorry for islamic people, who as said they have had their religion hijacked. I think these people seriously need to stand up and get the word around and educate the young, it is a way forward. But then again you can argue that Bush and Blair have killed enough innocent people already, if not more than the terrorists themselves.
Women are stoned to death for alleged adultery when they are actually rape victims. Women are stoned to death for wanting to pick their own husbands. Women have their fingernails pulled out or hands cut off for wearing nail polish. Women are flogged for talking to a man who is not a relative. Women are intimidated into wearing clothes so restrictive they are dangerous, often because their field of vision is restricted they are hit by cars. Women are beaten by male relatives and no one can tell because they are covered up. Burkha's are expected to be worn even in the hottest of weather. Women are denied sunlight, essential for health. Women are expected to act like doormats. Sounds like a hateful, cruel and restrictive religion to me. A couple of examples; Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413: Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar : The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque." http://www.apostatesofislam.com/media/stoning.htm#video In Pakistan; Zehri, a member of the upper house of parliament, has been made minister for postal services. Earlier this year, in response to news that three teenage girls had been buried alive for trying to choose their own husbands, he told parliament it was “tribal tradition.†http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2008/11/13/2003428522
i like how Sem-Advance jus took the last part of this quote and clearly did not understand what the verse is saying. the verse means that no person is superior to any other person based on skin color or ethnicity. People are only superior to each other by piety and good action. This verse does not refer specifically to the slave era in the USA, as referred to by Sam-Advance. It in fact has nothing to do with slavery, but at the same time iterates that no person is superior to another based on color, so no race is below any other race, there are no "masters" and "slaves". kevluigi answers many questions brilliantly on page 2 of this thread, and a lot of people seem to be throwing out uneducated statements, and by educated I do not mean the individual is uneducated, but he or she is simply uneducated in the subject at hand. Also, in response to seoocean's question about , again it is obvious that he/she is uneducated in this matter, but here are some more facts: "The Crusades were a series of religion-driven military campaigns waged by much of Christian Europe against external and internal opponents. Crusades were fought mainly against Muslims, though campaigns were also directed against pagan Slavs, Jews, Russian and Greek Orthodox Christians, Mongols, Cathars, Hussites, Waldensians, Old Prussians and political enemies of the popes.[1] Crusaders took vows and were granted an indulgence for past sins.[1]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusade
The Crusades were also many many centuries ago. The rest of us have moved beyond that time. Many of the Islamic run states seem to be stuck there.
Well... where do I start. This is pretty much all wrong. Notice the link to his site" www.apostatesofislam.com. Is this where you get your information on Islam? Do I get information of evolution on a creationists webpage??? Come on now. First of all, notice that what he quoted was hadith. This means many things. First, its a fallible source of information i.e. there are numerous hadith that are not accepted by muslims because they are fabricated all time. People try to quote sahih buhkari all the time to make a point when i reject some of those hadith. Also, this hadith could not be correct on many levels. Anyone who knows anything about islamic knows that you need FOUR witnesses to an adultery or act for even the next step of accusation. If four witnesses aren't produced, the women is free to go. So I am supposed to believe that our holy prophet, on whom be peace, acted this way. Also, I am sure that anyone reading that stuff up there pretty much knows its a lie. It may occur in the middle east but I ask you to produce me some authentic sources dicatating these things are Islamic. I can save you the trouble and tell you its not. I am not here to defend Pakistanis; I am here to defend Islam.
Saying it's a lie, doesn't make it so. It's all common knowledge. I get my news and information from a wide variety of sources. You may say you personally reject these abhorrent practices, but the practices persist. Are you defending Islamic practices in specific countries only? If these practices are not Islamic, why are they present primarily in Islamic countries? I seriously doubt that anyone reading my post knows it's lies. I'd say most readers of this forum get their info from a wide variety of sources like I do, and they are familiar with the overwhelming evidence of brutal repression of women by Islamic men.
nice passage, a man and a woman commit adultery and they get stoned..... have you read the bible lately???? dork.... go back 100 yrs here in the usa what would have happened to a woman who seduced a man..... well depends on where you lived, many women who had affairs were considered witches and burned a the stake by CHRISTIANS, you quoted a passage that is way older than that..... so please get real would you.
It seems you are the one that needs to get real. No one is denying the fact that Christians used to commit all these atrocities in the name of religion. The important thing is - IT HAPPENED IN THE PAST AND IT HAS STOPPED NOW, AS THEY BECAME CIVILIZED. But with these morons, it continues to happen. So, whoever does it, it is wrong. It doesn't matter if they are Moslems, Hindus, Christians, or Jews. Got that?
Just because it has stopped now in the usa not even there are small communities in the usa who still use this but It has NOT STOPPED we still do horrific things it is just not front page because then what would happen. Please