I signed up, and posted in this thread first- so what?, what thread did you post in first? Not once have I said that wife beating is right and that it says so in the quran, I have always said that this is wrong I have said that the Quran has said of puinshement for ADULTERY, for MEN and WOmen- not just WOMEN- this is adultery. I don't blame anyone or anything,
Alot of what is going on? So because i was a new user i shouldn't have made my opening post in this thread- is that what you are saying?
You must know alot about Kandang Lembu- because you certainly seem to know about Islam, you seem to be an expert. What DO they call it Kit- what
Kitman. Although I have to be honest with you, nokia, you really should brush up on your implementation a little better. Especially the denial. I give it a C- See also al taqiyya. You know what that is, right nokia?
Ah there was me hoping i'd get an A, Oh well better luck next time eh?! So what do you call refusing to accept quotes from the new testament, or refusing to accept the old testament all together- Reeks of denial
I'm not defending the Bible and rarely do. Now, if my chess playing skills are up to speed, here's what I predict: 1) klb, wanting to sweep wife beating under the rug, is rushing off to find apologist links to scriptures in the New Testament. 2) He knows he cannot counter the wife beating, because five translations could not be wrong. So the only reasonable course of action remaining is moral equivalence to Christianity. There are many, many others far more qualified to speak on behalf of the Bible, including Dead Corn, Debunked, Kalvin and a few others. So, we're basically in a holding pattern until klb returns to copy/paste in order to take the discussion off topic from wife beating in islam. Maybe I'll be wrong. I doubt it though
What makes you so sure that these five translations are 100% correct, And what makes you lot so qualified to speak on behalf of the bible? I believe myself to be well qualified to speak on behalf of the Quran- and I can 100% guarantee that it does not mention anything about wife beating, it does however mention about adultery for both men and women, but then wife beating and adultery aren't the same thing are they? So do you believe the quote about Jesus accepting the Old testaments punishments? if not why not?
Are you saying they are liars? All five? And to suggest that because they are scholars, a muslim cannot accept what they say, means that any muslim who only reads/writes English cannot be a true muslim, because the quran is invalid in English. Essentially, alienating a large population of muslims, just so you can call islamic scholars liars. Surely allah would not be pleased. Would allah be pleased with denial? A real muslim would stand up and be proud of what the quran says, instead of shamefully trying to deny it.
Oh believe me i am proud of what the Quran says, I am not proud of people like yourself making things up and pretending they come from the Quran, just because you have the support of 5 so called Scholars. The Quran is not 100% valid in english as during translation some of the meaning is lost, For example, in the arabic language there is four words used to describe someone: He, She, It, and another word which has no translation into english but has a meaning SIMILAR (notice i said similar to) to like a supreme being. Now that word appears in the quran several times, and has been translated into He in the english translations, i know for a fact that this is incorrect. Not being able to read arabic does not take away your right to be a muslim, It just means that you can not 100% understand the true meaning of the quran.
There we have it. With nothing for evidence and only your word, if you only read English, you're not a real muslim. A mighty big ego to claim you are above the islamic scholars who translated the entire quran into English. allah is not pleased with denial.
How do you know what Allah is pleased with? I don't understand why but you seem to have a habit of taking what somebody said and twisting it around to try and portray it in a different light!!! Not once did i say that only being able to read English makes you not a real muslim. I am not going to retell you what i said becuse you know what i said and it wasn't what you quoted.
I found some references to this. The Qur'an that is being used was one that was owned by Thomas Jefferson. It is an English translation that was published in 1764. It is currently in the Library of Congress' rare book collection. On the day of the swearing in it will be walked across the street from the Library of Congress to the Capital Building by the chief of the Library of Congress' rare book and special collections division and then immediately returned to the Library of Congress after the oath. http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/03/congressman.quran.ap/ So it wasn't a translation that was done by Thomas Jefferson as earlier inferred.
No twisting. An accurate summary. To assert that muslims (and of course, with no source, just your word) cannot accept scholars and to assert even further that these scholars are all wrong and only you are right, is to assert that if you only read/write English, then you are not a true muslim, for you are reading something you claim (with no evidence, of course) is forbidden by muslims. Otherwise, we should visit item number seven of the kitman strategies, cognitive dissonance.
You never give an accurate summary of someone else's statements. Josh has even called you on this on numerous occasions. The only way you know how to debate is to distort and twist the statements of others who do not agree with your view of the world (in this forum and from sources you reference). Believing your summaries of other people's statements would be like believing a first grade bully's account of events after a school yard fight.