Muslim congressman and The Bible

If you truly believe in God and mean what you say then it doesn't really matter what you swear on, wether its the Quran in english or todays newspaper.

 

The actually don't "swear in" on a book at all, the swearing in using the Bible is just for show...

 

So what seems to be the problem?

 

I'm afraid I'm not entirely familiar with who David Koresh is.

 

The only "true" copy of the Koran for muslims is in arabic...Thomas Jefferson's is not. Isn't that a contradiction to Muslim law?

 

Muslim law about what?
You can swear on what you like, as I said before if you truly believe in God it doesn't matter what you swear on.

 

I understand what you are saying, but Muslims have their own law too, which is set forth in the Koran.

 

Yes muslims do have a law, but i don't understand what that has got to do with anything?

If your question is if muslims can take word for word, the meaning of the translation of the quran in another language, then no,
The true meaning of the quran can only be understood in arabic.

 

exactly, isn't it against islamic law to hold another translation of the koran above the arabic one? Isn't that what he is doing if he "swears" using an english one?

 

Well no its not against islamic law, its just that only the true meaning of the quran can be realised by reading it in arabic. You can probably swear on what you like as long as you truly believe in God

 

I'm not so sure about that...then why doesn't he swear in using the bible? If what you say is true, then they should be ok with him doing that, right?

 

Why he doesn't swear in using the bible is his problem- I personally don't care, I am just informing you that the arabic version of the Quran is required for understanding the quran. He can swear in on what he likes whether its the bible or the quran- doesn't make a difference.

 

Please provide a permanent link. Thomas Jefferson did create his own version of the Bible by cutting and pasting two Bibles together such that all mention of miracles (e.g. turning water into wine) were excluded, however I've never seen any mention of Jefferson creating a translation of the Qur'an. In fact, I seriously doubt he even spoke Arabic.

Think of the fiasco involving that cult group in Waco Texas back around 1994.

Actually it is very common for English translations of the Qur'an to have the original Arabic text right next to the English text (at least from what I've seen). In regards to holding the English above the Arabic, I don't see it this way. Taking his oath holding a Qur'an (even if it is English) is simply expressing one's religious beliefs and expressing that one is proud to be a Muslim, just like a Christian taking their oath on a Bible are expressing their religious beliefs and that they are proud to be Christian.

Really people are just making a big stink out of nothing. We are a diverse nation and this diversity has made our nation very strong. A Muslim congressman taking his oath (or more accurately his private ceremonial photo opt) is simply a reflection of our nation's diversity. His act should be embraced, not feared.

 

If those were the only two options we had left, I would agree.

Understood. Still, David Koresh was the first thing that came to mind. I think there are some limitations to the quote.

 

You mean a religious book that instructs it's followers to take the lives of those the Congressmen is taking an oath upon to protect? Oh, that's right, it's all just out of context

As long as it's about killing some Christians and Jews!

 

Something about the pot and the kettle sptings to mind.....
BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 1) KILL THOSE WHO WORK ON THE SABBATH - Exodus 31:14-15 (NLT)
"Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death."

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 2) KILL THOSE WHO WORK ON THE SABBATH - Exodus 35:2-3 (NLT)
"For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death. Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day."

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 3) KILL THOSE WHO WORK ON THE SABBATH - Numbers 15:32-36 (NAB)
"While the Israelites were in the desert, a man was discovered gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who caught him at it brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly. But they kept him in custody, for there was no clear decision as to what should be done with him. Then the Lord said to Moses, "This man shall be put to death; let the whole community stone him outside the camp." So the whole community led him outside the camp and stoned him to death as the Lord had commanded Moses."

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 4) KILL A STUBBORN AND REBELLIOUS SON - Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of the town. They shall say to the elders, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard.' Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death...

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 5) KILL ANYONE WHO CURSES HIS PARENTS - Leviticus 20:9
For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 6) KILL ADULTERERS - Leviticus 20:10
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife — with the wife of his neighbor — both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 7) KILL ADULTERERS - Leviticus 20:11
If a man sleeps with his father's wife, he has dishonored his father. Both the man and the woman must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 8) KILL ADULTERERS - Leviticus 20:12
If a man sleeps with his daughter-in-law, both of them must be put to death. What they have done is a perversion; their blood will be on their own heads.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 9) KILL MALE HOMOSEXUALS - Leviticus 20:13
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 10) KILL SOME ADULTERERS - Leviticus 20:14
If a man marries both a woman and her mother, it is wicked. Both he and they must be burned in the fire, so that no wickedness will be among you.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 11) KILL FOR BEASTIALITY - Leviticus 20:15
If a man has sexual relations with an animal, he must be put to death, and you must kill the animal.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 12) KILL FOR BEASTIALITY - Leviticus 20:16
If a woman approaches an animal to have sexual relations with it, kill both the woman and the animal. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 13) KILL PROSTITUTES - Leviticus 21:9
If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 14) KILL ANYONE WHO ATTACKS HIS PARENTS - Exodus 21:15
"Anyone who attacks his father or his mother must be put to death."

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 15) KILL ANYONE WHO CURSES HIS PARENTS - Exodus 21:17
"Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death."

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 16) KILL FAMILY OR FRIEND - Deuteronomy 13:6-9 (NIV)
If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods that neither you nor your fathers have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity. Do not spare him or shield him. You must certainly put him to death.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 17) KILL AN ENTIRE TOWN - Deuteronomy 13:12-15 (NIV)
If you hear it said about one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you to live in that wicked men have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods" (gods you have not known), then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. Destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock.

BIBLICAL DEATH PENALTY: (part 18) KILL WORSHIPPERS OF OTHER GODS - Exodus 22:20
Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed.



Plenty more where they came from!

 

Nothing from the New Testament? It takes no skill to quote from the Old Testament, however, the New Testament fulfilled the Old Testament. Now if you really had skills, you'd copy paste something from the New Testament.

And then you could match those Old Testament scriptures to today's context:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=110161

 

When in doubt, whip out the "Old Testament".

Damn amateurs.

 

So you do not regard the Old testament as valid:


Matthew
Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17