Muslim Community in NY threatens couple that wants to cremate their dead son

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    Pardon me if I did not get all the facts, but since the dead son was a Muslim, shouldn't he be be accorded a Muslim burial rather than a Hindu one? Granted that the threatening wasn't right and I would add that it is criminal in nature, the Muslim Leaders in the community should rein in on their followers but I would feel that it would be more appropriate to respect the son's religion and bury him accordingly and not according to his mother's religion.

    I don't really get this statement. There is freedom of religion and the son chose Islam. Enough of what? I don't understand. He chose to be a Muslim and to live the Muslim way of life and he should have the right to be bury according to his beliefs.
     
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    If they guy is Muslim, I don't see a reason why he shouldn't be able to practice his religious ceremonial practices when dead?

    Unless it was the wish of their son, I don't see why the parents want to enforce their decision (unless it relates to money).

    Peace,
     
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    The next of kin decides how, when and where someone is to be buried.

    Even if their son was a muslim, attended mosques regularly and expressed a wish to be buried in muslim tradition what has it got to do with anyone other than his family? If his family want to bury him in a certain way then that's that, End of story.

    Why can religious people never just mind their own damn business.
     
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    Barti1987 Well-Known Member

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    You got a point, but is forgetting the fact that as their son was Muslim, he would rather be buried than burned. If you were one of the parent, wouldn't you want to fulfill your son's wishes instead of yours?

    Peace,
     
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    If it was my son id try to do what he would have wanted - Is it what this kid wanted though? If i decided not to, it would be no concern of anyone else.
     
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    if the brother, mother, and father decide on something (we dont know if the son requested it) then the community has NO SAY
     
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    the fact that the muslim community got involved and showed restriction on the family proves the extreme behaviour and lack of tolerance

    if i my kid dies and he was christian and i cremated him, no one would object...
    its not
    something that affects others so it makes no sense for people to be proactively fighting this
     
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    You have to understand the culture you are dealing with.

    Muslim culture is hardcoded within the community. This is why you sometimes see reflection of cultures depending on the region.

    Peace,
     
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    being stubborn and dogmatic is no excuse.
     
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    What might seem stubborn and dogmatic might seem caring and understanding to others.

    Just because you have a different perspective of what things are doesn't mean that they are the correct views.

    There are culture differences within cities, let alone different countries/regions.

    Peace,
     
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    people can have cultures, that's fine. What they cant do is try to impose it on other people, Especially through threats of violence.

    Whatever way you slice it they were wrong in everything they done. There are no excuses and no valid reasons.
     
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    It doesn't matter what other people think, it's the families decision and it's a shame people push their views and intolerance on others.
     
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    It's a shame.
     
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    People should mind their own business. It's the decision of the family. No one has any right to barge in and impose their views on the family. Haven't these morons heard of terms like 'privacy', 'individualism', and stuff like that? :mad:
     
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    I would agree that each should mind their own business. The weight of the Muslim community on a family is excessive form of intimidation. The family privacy and rights are completely ignored. However with regards to individualism, we need to consider that the young man is a Muslim, by virtue of that argument, it would be within his rights and wishes to have a Islamic burial. IMHO the family somehow infringes upon the rights of the dead young man. I don't think that is right but still having to endure the pressures imposed upon them by the Muslim community isn't right either.


     
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    Do dead people have rights? I don't think so. It's the prerogative of the living to decide what to do with the dead and how to cremate them, etc. If my dad wanted me to bury his body in the Buckingham Palace after his death, and if I didn't do it because it's both crazy and improbable, would you call it 'infringing' upon the rights of my dead father?
     
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    Dead people do have their rights and especially to a proper burial. Being buried according to the Islamic religion is nothing crazy as what you had mentioned, to be buried at Buckingham Palace. These are two different things, one is achievable with ease, the other is a joke, you should not be mixing these together. If you are a Muslim and touch wood, if you die, will you want to be buried under Christian or Buddhists rites or do you want to follow your own religion? Or take for eg a staunch atheist, if they are died, do they want to be buried with any religious ceremony?

    The notion of the dead not having rights isn't valid at all. If that is the case, why do we need to sign up for organ donation? The govt can just strip the dead of all usable organs or the family can earn a fortune for every of their dead by selling of his or her organs.

     
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    I know my example was an outlandish one, but I just wanted to make a point. If the parents, for some reasons, decided to cremate their son, their decision should be respected and they should be left alone. They might have their reasons to justify their decision, right? Why would any parent go out of his way to do something against the wish of his son? There must be some reason. All I'm saying is - it's within the confines of personal freedom. A family decided to do something with their dead son. Whatever they do, they might have a valid reason for that. The society, the neighbors, the government, and most importantly the moronic religious leaders should not have a say in this issue.
     
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    You do have a valid point here. To put it in perspective, religious organizations or any other organizations for that matter cannot be the ones pressurizing a family on such issues. On this I guess we have common agreement.

    On the family part, it is just conjecture on your part and on my part. But if as you say the family has some reasons to believe that this is what their son wants, I don't think anyone has the right to interfere. Though I would feel that it is weird that a Muslim would want a Hindu funeral and vice versa.


     
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