Muslim cleric says; if your wife doesn't have sex when you demand it, Beat her

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  1. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #61
    What the fuck are you talking about?
     
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  2. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    #62
    we all know what consummate means (besides you apparently). In English, to consummate a marriage it means to have sex.

    Read your hadiths
    Nobody can deny that this is specifically talking about mohammad having sex with a then 9 year old child.

    It makes me wonder how much you really believe this stuff if you feel compelled to hide your prophets actions.
     
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  3. Polite teen

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    #63
    Actually, I had different information.

    What I knew was that the prophet prayer and peace be upon him married Aysha when she was 9 and consummate the marriage when she reached 10.

    I didn't know that he consummated the marriage after more than 2 and half years from the time of marriage when she was 6-7 years old.

    This indicated more for me that the prophet (peace and prayer be upon him and his family) didn't marry her to have sex with her, but for a purpose that is higher than that, and not because he satisfied all his wives and was a very nice husband for them and he was the most beloved person for them, more than themselves, we try to destroy his good image by a probaganda like that of wrong people.

    Note: Your quote of the hadith had some fabrications mixed with some truth.
    I searched for the hadith and I found in yours some words that have been added for an evil purpose.

    They were not mentioned in the original hadithes.
     
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    #64
    Say what?


    What are you talking about? Please explain.
     
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    stOx Notable Member

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    #65
    I sometimes have to remind myself that you are talking about a little girl. The way the phrase "married when she was 6-7 years old" just trips off your tongue is of some concern to me.

    He may or may not have married her specifically for the sex. But he certainly had sex with her and she was certainly a child. (according to your little, old book)
     
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    #66
    Just the thought of marriage of a 9 year old kid gives me shudders.

    I noticed this thread few days ago, I asked a friend of mine, Fatima, a Muslim girl, if she will tolerate a guy if he demands sex anytime he wants, and beats her upon refusal, she said - "I'll cut his d*ck off and shove it in his ass."

    Well thats the attitude all the Muslim girls should have on guys like that..
     
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    ObliviousOne Banned

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    #67
    Well phrased, couldnt say it any better myself.
     
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    #68
    Complete bullshit. This is just another case of religious stupidity and extremism gone way too far. This man is also going blatantly against traditional Muslim values. No normal Islamic person would ever believe this crap. Heh let's try and see this guy try to enforce his view. I'm sure the Australian police will have a field day, especially the female members (those nightsticks hurt when applied in the right area).
     
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  9. Genuine Marketer

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    #69
    A girl's mind isn't fully developed at 9. How come that wasn't mentioned in the Qu'ran. She wasn't at the age to make a rational decision herself.
     
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    #70
    i just want to say i was a catolic now im muslim and dont look to individual Muslim cleric ...but read Kur"an you will see the miracles of Kur"an...in islam the cleric is just to look hem in prayer time nothing else so be muslim with Kur"an is great the rights of male and female are same,maybe female have more rights ...
     
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  11. Genuine Marketer

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    #71
    Being a catholic in the past means nothing actually. That's not even the main issue. Everyone has freedom of belief but some people go too far. Islam says to kill non-believers. I read it in the Qu'ran.

    And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (2:191) But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. (2:192) And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers. (2:193)
     
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    #72
    Congratulations on being able to make that change. It is lucky for you that you were not Muslim trying to change to a Catholic...Islam does not look kindly on those who chose another religion.

    The four major Sunni Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) and the Twelver Shi'a Jafari madhab agree that a sane adult male apostate must be executed.

    In Islamic law (sharia), the consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed. A female apostate must be either executed, according to Shafi'i, Maliki, and Hanbali schools of Sunni Islamic jurisprudence (fiqh), or imprisoned until she reverts to Islam as advocated by the Sunni Hanafi school and by Shi'a scholars.

    Most Islamic scholars agree that the appropriate punishment for apostasy is beheading.

    The execution for apostasy was abolished in most Muslim lands in the 19th century either through European pressure or through the direct European rule; however, cases of imprisonment and deportation of apostates still occurred. Nevertheless, even nowadays apostates are not sure of their lives, as their Muslim relatives frequently try to kill them.

    Ideally, the one performing the execution of an apostate must be an imam. At the same time, all schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that any Muslim can kill an apostate without punishment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

    How do you feel about that? If Islam is so divine why would Allah need to force people to remain by threat of death?
     
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    #73
    Oh SNAP! ROFLMAO!! Hilarious but TRUE!! +rep!!
     
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    #74
    your question was talking about different issue.

    The beating that is allowed is the islamic beating, not a harmful one.

    And the husband that is allawed to beat is that who did nothing wrong against her.

    If he was wrong, then he should adjust himself, and he is not allowed to beat her, eventhough the beating is harmless, because the problem is in himself.

    Only if the problem was in the girl, that solution is valid.

    Remember, it is islamic beating, not harmful one.

    It solves a problem, not make more one.
     
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    #75
    What the hell are you talking about :confused:
    What is islamic beating ? how does it solve a problem ? by making the women terrified and trained like dogs to do whatever the mighty followers of the religion of peace want ? :confused:
     
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    #76
    I don't know if you concern about the facts that were posted before:


    I don't know if you concern about the fact that

    She lived her best life with the prophet prayer and peace be upon him.

    She was happy with him and loved him more than herself and her parent because he was a great good person.

    Her family were glad that their daughter is the wife of the prophet and she was proud of that more.

    That marriage raised her to go to heaven and to be a star leading to heaven by what she had of Mr. Mohammad's light.

    Marriage is a project for building a life, so prayer and peace be upon the prophet Mohammad and his family and all the massengers.
     
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    #77

    Did I say it is zionistic beating?
     
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    #78
    You've gotta be kidding me, Polite Teen, you're basically saying "BUT LOOK!!! THESE GUYS HAD SEX WITH KIDS TOO SO WE CAN DO IT TOO!!"
    That's retarded and idiotic. The fact that there were X murders in the past year doesn't make murdering right, but you seem to fail to understand that and keep trying backing up THE GUY WHO HAD SEX WITH A 9 YEAR OLD AND PERMITS BEATING WOMEN.
     
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    #79
    Proof he had sex with a child? He married her because it was considered a great honor and Hazrat AbuBakr gave Hazrat Ayesha in marriage to him ! Its as simple as that.
     
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    #80
    They just gave you proof a couple of posts ago. Hell, even if they didn't - You just stated it's an HONOR to take an undeveloped child and marry him.
     
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