Muslim cleric says; if your wife doesn't have sex when you demand it, Beat her

A Melbourne Islamic cleric has told his male followers they can force their wives to have sex and hit them if they are disobedient.

Coburg's self-styled cleric, Samir Abu Hamza, said despite Australian rape laws it was impossible for a man to rape his wife even if she refused to have sex with him.

"If the husband was to ask her for a sexual relationship and she is preparing the bread on the stove she must leave it and come and respond to her husband, she must respond" Mr Hamza told his male followers on the video sermon.

He then went on to describe how men should respond to a disobedient wife by saying "After you have advised them [not to be disobedient] for a long, long time then you smack them, you beat them" and that ""This is just to shape them up, shape up woman"

We have already had one person defending paedophilia in the name of religion on this forum, let's see if we can get the same person to defend rape and domestic violence.

When asked to explain his views Mr Hamza, In predictable fashion, Blamed the "zionist media".

cue the excuses.

(by the way, Don't bother telling me it's "unislamic", Not unless you are first going to tell Mr Hamza, the cleric concerned, how it's unislamic. All i'm concerned with is the fact that this filthy piece of shit is advising men in a civilised country to rape and beat women.)

 

It is always surprising to me how people are willing to just openly show how depraved and uncivilized they are.

This man should be locked up as should anyone who follows his suggestions.

 

I hope someone then advises the women that they have the right to leave. I was going to say the right to pickup a cast iron skillet and clobber the jerk but I'm a pacifist at heart .

 

violence against women in no way can be tolerated, the prophet pbuh himself said:

"How does anyone of you beat his wife as he beats the stallion camel and then embrace (sleep with) her?”

Muslims would follow the prophet not somebody else, specially when what this somebody says violates the belief itself,

I have to check what this man said, but in general, there are voices from every belief that calls for things that are not in the belief itself, some might follow such calls, but the majority would go to the origin, examples can be taken from every belief, or religion,

for example, not long ago a group of religious men, punched, kicked, and beat a woman in a bus, her "crime" was that she refused to sit in the section of the bus designated for women! and this did not happen in a "Taliban ruled area" but in Israel:

RELIGIOUS WOMAN BEATEN BY CHAREIDI MEN ON #2 BUS LAST FRIDAY

as those men believe, women are something inferior and they should be separated from men, not only in buses but in everywhere.

these men should be locked, but unfortunately, their demands are finding answers:

source

for more about wife beating, check Does Islam Allow Wife Beating? and Islam & Wife Beating

 

I thought this was something the religious members of many faiths had in common. Do Muslim women always get to go where the men go in Islamic Mosques? It was my understanding that for some groups they were also separated from the men. This apparent sexism is something that many religions share.

Personally, I do not agree with any of those types of behaviors whether it is Jews or Muslims or Christians.

It is interesting how you always manage to find a way to bring Jews into your posts in a negative way even when the topic has nothing to do with Jews. Your motives in doing so are very transparent and rather pathetic. No matter what the thread is about you will dig up something so you can get a slam in on the Jews. I guess you are one of those people who feels better about himself and his religion when he is trying to show how other people behave similarly or worse. Why not just condemn bad acts no matter who is behind them?

 

You should ask what kind of beating is that?

Is it that which cause harm or that which is soft?

I can hit the door hardly, and I can hit it softly, in both cases, it is called beating.

As for Zionist, they understand it as a hard hitting or beating because every one sees people according to his own behaviour, but as for the kind people, they understand it as their prophet ,prayer and peace be upon him and his family, explained.

 

Surprise, surprise, surprise...

... DP's resident supporter of pedophilia has a ready excuse for wife beating as well. Who would have thunk it.

All I can say is that is says much about you as a man that you feel the need to defend beating one's wife.

 

the topic as I understood it, was about violence against women from religious point of view, and what I posted was within this, if you want me to make a comparison on women rights, separation, in different beliefs/religions, you can start a thread about it and invite me to post, I will gladly post.

 

It doesn't matter. Any degree of domestic violence is abhorrent and all rape is disgusting.

But well done on sinking to a new low. Just when we thought your views couldn't get any more repulsive than defending paedophilia you pull this little gem out the bag, Congratulations.

Is there no sickening behaviour you wont defend or trivialise in the name of your religion?

 

Totally wrong. Shoud lock such people up.

Those who beat women are cowards. Islam is against men beating women.

 

The guy asked you simple question. Why do you have to take it to the next level. Why not answer his question so he can answer before judging him. He might have meant something else.

There is corrupt people in every religion. Does you religion allow rape, murder NO, but it still happens......... It does not mean that the religion is corrupt but more like a minority.

Also, can you post the url of where you found this info.

 

Seriously? ... Are you saying it's ok to smack her around as long as you don't hit her too hard? It's people like yourself that make people think that Muslims and those of the Islamic faith are wife beaters and terrorists.

What's "Polite" about that??

 

It is totally wrong.

Does you religion allow rape, abusing children, murder, child pornography? But it still happens.

For those people who commit such crimes are wrong and should be locked up for ever.

Do christians not beat their wives. Of course they do. It's wrong, but It happens every where.

Islam does not allow the beating of any lady.

 

Because, like i said, the severity of the beating makes no difference. It's just his way of trying to trivialise domestic violence, just like he tried to trivialise paedophilia in this thread by suggesting that maybe the 8 year old girl wanted to marry the 42 year old pervert and that anyone preventing this abhorrent treatment of a child is infringing on her "freedom". Don't be tricked by him.

what are you telling me for? Mr Hamza is the one who thinks it does and is suggesting people do it. Take it up with him, not me.... Bet ya don't.

 

Did I say what you claimed?

I don't represent Islam, I represent myself as a muslim

No one can represent the great religion Islam but the prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him and his family.

I asked the OP a question that might stop his propaganda against Islam.


No boy shall hit a girl, I know that.

The hit that is allowed was a soft one that gives a sign for being not satisfied with what she did, it doesn't looks as you think.

If someone was hitted such a hit, he might fall down of laughing at such a hit you offer him.

 

Quoted to highlight how little sense you are making.

Do yourself a favour, condemn domestic violence and rape and leave it at that. Your need to defend anyone who happens to be a muslim regardless what they do leaves you in some very deep, very embarrassing holes.

If you can't learn how to be civilised, at least learn when to keep quiet.

Are we now going to be told about the varying degrees of rape and how, if we actually see the rape he is talking about, we would "fall down laughing"?

 

There are two disgusting behaviors this 'cleric' is advising.
Both behaviors are abhorrent and should be condemned.

First, is to demand sex from your wife irregardless of her wishes.
Second, is to beat her if she does not acquiesce to being raped.

 

For my statment you just quote, it gave the sense

I said: "no boy should hit a girl, I know that"

To give the right picture and that it is the base in treating women in Islam, then I moved to the case mentioned in the thread and I said:

"The hit that is allowed was a soft one that gives a sign for being not satisfied with what she did, it doesn't looks as you think.

If someone was hitted such a hit, he might fall down of laughing at such a hit you offer him."

 

Have you ever heard the quote:

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt​

Well, with each new post of yours you remove any doubt.

 

blaming gays and jews again?

Anybody who forces someone to have sex against their will, i.e rapes them, is a filthy sub-human and they should be put in prison for a very long time. It is one of them most heinous crimes imaginable and it doesn't become less heinous when it's committed by a husband against his wife. I hope i have made my position on this clear. Let me know if you want me to explain it further.