I'm a green hat S.E.O, sometimes, I'm bad. When I'm bad, I'm very bad. Bad works for MSN. MSN, sure does love spam, I use automated blog/guestbook spamming to get the results. What is really strange to me is dispite this fact, the quality of sites on MSN appear to be better than the other two top search engines. I beleive my point is, Spammers, like me, sometimes, have become more sophisticated and are producing quality sites. What's the difference between a White hat S.E.O and Black hat anymore??? The user/websearcher is the ultimate judge of good and bad results and big keywords on MSN get's big results, particularly as the new I.E defaults to this as the search engine, (Of course.) Don't overlook MSN, particularly as it's a real search engine, producing real results. All the best, Simon.
The algorithm of Google is my granddad idea of business: "don't care the price or the quality, just ignore unknown, new and poor businessmen and you will be safe"; In contrast MSN intentionaly or unintentionaly is doing something different. They have opened the way for new ideas.
Msn search seems like an eager young child whois always exploring while Google comes across as old timer, afraid of anything new
This is very true. I wonder why MSN allows all the spammy sites in? I suppose MSN is trying to get on the good side of SEOs - even black hats
clickhandbags It's easy to make a statement when you don't provide proof. Can you provide your url, keyword phrases or other examples. MSN is still learning no doubt, but I don't think it is their sole intent to reward spam. Nor do I think they are trying to get on the good side of SEOs. I think they are merely trying to perfect their algos and when they do, sites using blackhat will be no better off with them as they are with Google; then all you'll have left is Yahoo, and they too are getting better at filtering out crap. A few solid examples would go a long way.
Wrmineo, Here's one for you... Judgeboobs.com, (Adult content.) Search for, "Boobs" or "Rate my boobs." Took one week to get there.
MSN isn't the only engine to suffer from spam. Google laps it up if done properly.. indeed it is all about sophistication (and automation). Cheers, JL
While MSN may show backlinks and reward spam technics to a degree, I have no issues with the rankings in the segments I track. I don't see any spam sites in the top of the serps there. Google jumps through one million hoops and often has worse results. As originally noted, perhaps all the old school habits have died because all the spammers are focused on google... but regardless, the proof is the bottom line. Perhaps if MSN became the #1 target they would relive google's experience all over again. I think all three search engines judge on a variety of different criteria, so you are unable to boil it down to just one or two things, when thousands are factors are different.
MSN factors on site/page variables heavier than others, and with that term being the first part of the <title> and mentioned heavily throughout the page does not make it a surprise that it would rank well at MSN ... for now. They are constantly changing their bots and algos as they test the new waters they find themselves in - what works this week, may not the next. "female celebrites" at MSN bring up my site #1 out of 4+ million results .... this week - guess what the first part of my page titile is?
There is an assumption among those who are #1 at google that they must be #1 at MSN as well otherwise MSN is spammy. As a general rule, If you are #1 at google and nowhere at MSN, you don't like MSN vise versa.
I like how you can make huge jumps in no time. I did on page changes on one of my sites (across about 20 pages) and went from 200 to 11 makes me look good around the office!
try checking this, type in a keyword in msn and click on the #1 website that comes up for that keyword and check its page rank. most likely it will have a pr0, msn loves new sites rather then old. My two sites get lots of traffic from msn at first but none from the other 2.
It doesn't surprise me that Microsoft allows spam on their network, and anyone who is surprised hasn't used Internet Explorer. That browser has more spam than I've ever seen, which is the reason I switched to mozilla. As far as why Microsoft allows it simple: They're getting paid.
I think SEO Experts just like to wear hats. I'll have to agree with people who are saying MSN likes new sites - I got mine put at the top of MSN for a keyword that I was going for in under 2 months.
PC World did a test on many different questions to try to find the answers in some main SE's. MSN was one of the top performers.
I have had top position in MSN for keywords that I built into my domain names. These same sites were relatively nowhere in site in Google, except for perhaps uncommon strings of keywords on my pages. It's really frustrating with Google, especially since one of the sites nowhere to be found is more of an educational site with little advertising that is quite relevant to what I think people are looking for. Thus far, I'm relying mostly on MSN traffic.
I have seen sites that rank well in Google and are now starting to rank well in MSN. This is since the last big MSN update. I guess MSN doesn't like spam as much.
Does look that way, doesn't it? About time they started filtering out the spammy/bad sites. Seems like they are now penalizing for doorway pages/sites, and keyword stuffing. Hopefully, it will continue to stay that way.