MSN indexing question..

Hey everyone...I've noticed something very strange with MSN..I started a site near the end of November 2006 and have done an excellent job doing great link exchanges, buying some PR links, and submitting to directories for even more links..Google indexed my site right away and I even managed to pull going from a PR0 to a PR3 in the last update..However, MSN still does not have my site indexed! I can check link popularity in MSN and have over 600 links pointing to my site..yet whenever i search just the domain or site:domain I get nothing

Any idea what the deal could be with this? I know my robots.txt is fine and im indexed in Yahoo and Google, and already placing high for some keywords in Google..everything..not really sure what else it could be

 

MSN bans sites that have unnatural links. All your links are unnatural therefore you may have been banned.

 

This is understandable but many of my reciprocal links are related site's..and the others are one way..how can a 1 way link be unnatural? Thanks

 

MSN has not been indexing new sites very well at all.

 

Did you check your server side stats to see whether msnbot crawl your pages? That's very strange and you can report to their technical staff.

 

but yet I still see sites with totally unnatural links ranking well in msn

 

I agree with you Ferret77. I see sites with unnatural links in MSN all the time. I know many of my competitors are unnatural. I really cant seem to figure out MSN. They crawl almost never it seems, and some of the sites that I see dominating the rankings are single-pagers. Weird stuff.

 

Thanks for the responses guys! I will take a look at my stats to verify the crawler has been there, although I am pretty sure it has its worth a second look. Looks like I may need to resort to contacting them..

 

A link exchange is deemed as unnatural by MSN as it has been carried out with the sole purpose of manipulating the serps.

I agree there are lots of sites still ranking by using these techniques but seeing as MSN has publicly said they are banning these sorts of sites its not a good strategy to just copy what others are doing, they might not be here tomorrow.

 

what makes a link more natural?? articles or?

 

When a blogger finds something interesting and links to it, thats natural.

 

MSN seems to like the sites using robot.txt. Applying that may help!

 

I wonder how long before articles and directories are considered spam

 

Pretty sure they already are by MSN.

 

Well if that's the case I would give preference to good reciprocal links then trying to optimize for MSN, the SE doesn't drive that much traffic anyway. There are many legitimate reasons for reciprocal links.

 

MSN is known to ban sites for having too many link-exchanges.

 

I have a one year old site that msn ignored. I got frustrated and changed the homepage .. now im indexed. The problem now is that they wont crawl my site. I think msn is not ready yet ... Their stuff has being messed up since live,com.

 

mmmmmm personally from my experience MSN can be all over the place. I really dont concern myself with them anyway. I really focus my SEO on google and getting into it.

 

I've been in other forums and I swear there are people saying it has the most responsive bot. That is definitely not my experience. I've been focusing on Google and Yahoo, and when time permits MSN. I don't think it should be totally ignored, however. I just think they need to regroup, and since they've been falling short of estimates lately, I think that will have to happen sometime soon or many jobs will be lost over there.