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Mr Obama, there are 2 states. Their name is Israel and Jordan.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by uploas, Apr 6, 2009.

  1. uploas

    uploas Peon

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    #21
    i forgot to remain that the Rotchild famuly and KaKal owned 80%+ of the british Mandate before 1947, so the British Mandate took to them, the Palestinians did the same to the British Mandate, and we did the same to the Palestinians. so actually it was ours, if you look back.
     
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  2. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #22
    Show me the proof
     
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  3. uploas

    uploas Peon

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  4. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #24
    I think you have difficulty understanding english... Where is the proof they owned 80% of the land of Palestine?
     
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  5. Bushranger

    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #25
    Finally a post that made some sense from you uploas. I did not know Britain already ruled Palestine at that time. I learnt something new there.

    Ottoman rule (1841-1917)
    Palestine

    Mandate of Palestine
    Mandate of Palestine

    Whilst under British rule, and because the Jews didn't have a secure place to call home it was decided to establish a Jewish settlement in Palestine.

    The British Mandate:
    I fully agree with all that happened above but Israel (Jews) then went further and took more than the agreement allowed. In my mind that's when they became criminals.

    Since then Israel treads further and further into Palestine, stealing more and more Palestinian lands from them.

    Why is it wrong for Hitler to wipe out the Jews but right for Jews to wipe out the Palestinians?
     
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    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #26
    First of all the settlements should be dismantled. Believe it or not this would be a very popular decision not only among the palestinians but most israelis in israel. The settlements keep growing and growing and the world just sits back and says nothing?
     
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  7. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #27
    And thats the irony....
     
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  8. browntwn

    browntwn Prominent Member

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    #28
    It has nothing to do with irony. The Palestinians agreed to stop attacking Israel - Israel agreed to stop building settlements. Neither side is doing what they promised.

    Yet, somehow you expect Israel to stop with settlements but give a pass to the fact that in return the Palestinians were supposed to stop violently attacking Israel. Since the Palestinians did not stop, why would you expect Israel to stop?

    The Palestinians, and you, want it both ways. You want Israel to make every concession for peace and you want the Palestinians to keep being able to violently resist. You can't have it both ways.

    It may sound crass, but this is a negotiation tactic between the two sides. The Palestinians have little to offer Israel other than ceasing to attack it, so they don't give that up. Likewise, Israel is always being asked to give up something so for both sides they keep doing the one thing they can cease doing in an eventual deal.
     
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  9. uploas

    uploas Peon

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    #29
    and I have to say that the (most) settlements are no longer Israeli, they under the rights of the Palestinian Territories
     
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    bogart Notable Member

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    #30
    Here's a map of Palestine-Trans-Jordan in 1947. Jordan is the name of a river not a people. The Jordanian's a Palestinians from the east bank of the river Jordan. Many people don't understand that trans-jordan means both sides of the Jordan river.

    [​IMG]
     
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    uploas Peon

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    #31
    Finally somebody got what I meant.
     
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  12. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #32
    bogart, care to share the source of that map.
     
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    ChaosTrivia Active Member

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    #33
    Looking at old maps won't help to solve the present situation.
    Israel needs to withdraw from the 1967 territories and the palestinians needs to accept that they will never get more than that. This is the only way peace can be achieved in the near or far future.
     
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  14. gauharjk

    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #34
    Why don't you just take Gaza and West Bank territories and make Palestinian citizens of Israel. I would be very happy with the idea of Greater Israel, as long as Palestinians get equal rights.

    Certainly, the 20% Palestinians living in Israel get very good rights. Take them all... Take all the territory.
     
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  15. uploas

    uploas Peon

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    #35
    You forgot the great Druze community and the Adyghe people. they also live with the Jewish people with no Sharia, and we are having 100% equal rights. (they don't have to serve the IDF, but almost all of them does that) we can't give all the Palestinians equal rights, because only (about) 75% are agreeing to the Jewish state, while (about) 25% are against Israel and the whole idea of Jewish state.

    So Liberman offered a law that anyone who dose not agree to the Jewish state will be without Blue Pass (Israeli citizenship), and a lot of Arabs voted for him because that way Jews can separate between the Bad Arabs, and the Good Arabs.
     
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  16. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #36
    I have an idea! Make it one country. Jerusalastine. Have each area separated into states with two representatives. Then, dismantle the walls, boarders, and stop bulldozing and suicide bombing each other. Use this new congress and state together, and voila, problem solved. It would be like Republicans and Democrats. No more partitions of any kind, no more separations.

    But of course, I know that will never happen. The end of this conflict will be the destruction of the entire region.
     
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    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #37
    Thats an excellent solution. A Federal Union of two states into one country. It will end the conflict forever.

    But then, how would the Evangelical lobby react? They are waiting for the rapture, and it won't happen unless there is a nuclear war in the middle east. Any US Presudent coercing the two parties to agree to such a solution would be labeled as the anti-Christ. Its very convenient...
     
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    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #38
    Well, according to them, an Anti-Christ is needed to unite the world, cause World War 3, and bring about the rapture anyways.

    Personally I want to take control of this little planet of ours and rule over the whole thing. I have a greater ambition than our current U.S. President. World Dictatorship.
     
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    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #39
    You could be a good candidate for the anti-Christ position. Did you consider applying for the job? In a way, you will fulfill your ambition and also the prophesies of the evangelical crowd. Its a win-win situation... :D
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #40
    So what kind of regime will we have under Lord Jackuul? capitalism, communism, facism, socialism, other?
     
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