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Mr Obama, there are 2 states. Their name is Israel and Jordan.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by uploas, Apr 6, 2009.

  1. #1
    I want to share you with my mind: I don't think everyone gets what the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians is about:
    1. the Palestinians (Jordanian people) want their own state
    2. So does the Jews

    to see what I'm talking about we need to see what was before Israel and PA - The British Mandate.
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    as you can see, there was 1 big country for both sides. we didn't really fight, or kill each other with wars, but on the other hand we didn't really liked each other.

    So, what "went wrong" and made the British Mandate go away? Hitler. the Anti Jewish Holocaust made the whole world understand that Jews cant continue live abroad, and the Jews must have their own state. oh, and the UN, of course.

    but again, the Palestinians wanted their own state.

    so, the UN offered this:
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    but the Arabs wanted the whole country for them selfs.
    So, 33 countries voted to accept this and the Arabs countries were against it (shocking). there was a war, Israel lost 108,300 people and the Arabs (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon and the Palestinians) lost 56,000 people.

    Today, Israel, with Egypt and Jordan are having peace and good relationship, no borders (with Jordan) and good tourism for both sides.

    But the Palestinians still want their own state, and I don't think that it's so good, because:
    1. we might won't make them leave Terror even when they already got a state
    2. their economy won't be stable (like everyone's at the beginning) and push more people to terror

    So I think the best thing is to pass the Palestinian Territories to country that we are already having good relationship,which is Jordan, just until they will leave terror for good.


    Don't get me wrong, there will be Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as it's capital.
     
    uploas, Apr 6, 2009 IP
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #2
    This is what I understand uploas:

    Here is a more accurate depiction of why they're fighting. The green on left being what they had, and now the green on right what they have left.

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    and the Palestinian side of the argument is set out here.

    Now if all of that is true, Israel is the bad guy in my mind.
     
    Bushranger, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    #3
    There are thousands of independent, neutral researchers that can confirm what you said is true.
     
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    ziya Active Member

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    you know guys there had been a holocaust , that is why .........sh*t

    Note : I did not want to mock on victims .
     
    ziya, Apr 8, 2009 IP
  5. uploas

    uploas Peon

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    I offer to give the whole (1967) land to Jordan, so they will "take care" of them and make them leave the terror (cause we just don't success) and than give them independent.
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    Why not 1947 land allocation? That is what the world decided you should have.
     
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    uploas Peon

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    Here is what the "world" decided we should have
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    the Arabs didn't agree to that.

    can you put the whole Muslim people in Qatar? no! so why put us in such a small place? because you killed 90% of us in the Holocaust and the 13 pogroms? it's not right.

    this isn't the Jewish state. the Jewish state includes west Jerusalem.

    and if you ask that, I can also ask why Us got Alaska? or why UK got North Ireland? or how Europe got so many countries in Africa?
     
    uploas, Apr 8, 2009 IP
  8. Bushranger

    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    Gee as I thought you settled for that you go and change your post!

    Admit you don't know what you want! You were given an amount of land by the world (taken off the Palestinians, mind you) then, you weren't happy with that so with Americas help you then start invading more and more Palestinian lands until you now have more than 90% of their land and are still trying to get it all.

    At what point should Hamas do all they can do to stop you?

    We can all see what you're doing, we call it genocide and it's not moral any way you care to spin it.

    I don't like Hamas' terrorist tactics but I wholeheartedly understand why they are doing it. What else can draw the world's attention to what Israel's doing to them?
     
    Bushranger, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    uploas Peon

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    I'm just saying that the British Mandate wasn't split well, so we can fix it by give the Palestinian territories to Jordan, and Gaza to Egypt.
     
    uploas, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    ziya Active Member

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    lol ..funny
     
    ziya, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    gauharjk Well-Known Member

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    Who are you to give Palestinian territories to Egypt & Jordan? And what right do British have to give Palestinian land to European refugees?
     
    gauharjk, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    ziya Active Member

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    That post still make me laugh , every time I read it ..lol
     
    ziya, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    seoz Banned

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    #13

    awww...

    how cute is this,.,.,

    ENTER SOMEONE'S HOUSE AND ASK FOR THE LANDLORD RIGHTS....

    bravo you guyz
     
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    ziya Active Member

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    If Obama administration will follow Zionism ideas, (such as idea above ).. it will not be funny at all
     
    ziya, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    uploas Peon

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    what zionism? by giving the land to a stable country like Jordan, so they will help them get out of the terrorism circle.
     
    uploas, Apr 8, 2009 IP
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    On that thought, let's give Israel (of 1947) to Jordan, that will also stop the Palestinian terror cycle.
     
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    uploas Peon

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    you just block any kind of idea? try see why I think its good and don't be against everything.
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #18
    First you steal most of someone's land then, because they fight back, you want to give their remaining land away. And then to top it off you expect people to agree you are right? Are you serious?

    It's called genocide and it's illegal however you spin it dude.
     
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    uploas Peon

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    I didn't steal.
    so what do you want the Jews to do? stay abroad? and who will promise we won't have another Holocaust? "dear" Europe?

    It's fine to live abroad by choise, but not because you dont have anywhere to go.
     
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    Bushranger Well-Known Member

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    #20
    If it's not stealing what would you call it then?

    You were living elsewhere then because of the holocaust inflicted upon the Jews (sad for me too), you were given a block of land by the UN. A place to call home. Up till then I agree you didn't steal.

    Then the Jews decided that wasn't enough land and moved beyond what was given them, now you are stealing Palestinian land.
     
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