Moving from ASP to PHP. Need your suggestions please!

Discussion in 'PHP' started by corinaw, Apr 28, 2006.

  1. #1
    I’m not quite sure where to post this, so I’m sorry if this is the wrong area.

    My site is on an IIS server, and up till now, I’ve been able to find asp options to meet my needs. I’ve HIT a brick wall, and I just can’t stay on asp any longer.

    I can’t find any good adsense tracking sw that runs on asp (I’m out of url channels on google) and I just found this really great product storefront that only runs on php.

    So I’m making the switch to php, but I’ve got to change the entire asp code to php equivalents.

    My question is 3-fold: Since I’ve got so much work to do to fix this, I’d really appreciate your opinion on what is the BEST…..

    php hosting (in case I need to move from godaddy)
    php forum code (I’m using snitz, right now, it’s free, and really good)
    php directory (I’m using dudirectory)

    Snitz and dudirectory were free, but I can pay a reasonable amount if it is worth it. I’d rather just get good stuff to start since I’m starting from scratch.

    I’m kicking myself that here I am after all this time having to retrofit, but I just can’t move forward on an asp host.

    ANY and ALL suggestions are greatly appreciated.

    Thanks very much,
    Corina
     
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    Don't do it. PHP is dying out and many hosts are no longer supporting it. I know a really good .asp expert (not me) who would be more than willing to help. PM me if you would like his email address.
     
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    I know a bit of php....I also can do an very usefull php navigation system.
     
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    corinaw Not Banned

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    Thanks, but I don't know if your statement is true. Why is everything I really (easily) need in php.

    Don't get me wrong, <ducks head> I do like msft, a lot- which is why I chose asp/IIS</ducks head>

    But if asp is the wave of the future, why is google offering sitemaps default code in php/open source, and no adsense tracking for asp is available at ALL. Every storefront I see has a .pl extenstion, and adsensegold can't be loaded on an IIS server?

    Believe me, I want nothing more to continue with the current site I have, but I'm blocked on several front's. Does anyone have any existing php code to recommend?

    If you all think asp is the wave of the future, please let me know- I really can't see it, though if I should hold off changing and wait it out please let me know.
     
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    #5
    ASP is great, in fact I started out with it but due the increasing number of applications written in PHP I moved to this language.

    However I have still a site hosted on a Windows Server and I can run both, ASP and PHP, apart of cgi scripting.

    Have you tried PHP on your current hosting?

    Maybe it has php enabled and may be not necessary moving out

    just copy this code on a single file named info.php:

    <?php phpinfo(); ?>
    Code (markup):
    upload it to your webspace and call it via your browser, it your hosting supports PHP you will get full details on this, otherwise you will get a blank page.
     
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    I am only quoting what many web hosts have told me. In that more and more web hosts are discontinuing supporting php. I asked the reason why and their answer was for security issues that they would not rather go into. At present you may not be able to do what you want to do in .asp and can see it can be done in .php. However, as time goes by you will see the spread of .asp and the flexibility of .asp grow. I had to make the same decision as you on several fronts just recently. I have a very good .asp expert on hand and there is nothing he can not do for me (yet!).

    I hope this helps.
     
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    corinaw Not Banned

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    Hey Mystique,
    who is your web host? I am with godaddy. Though I can run php, they have disabled many commands, so it is not fully functional.

    From godaddy support;

    "While you are able to use some PHP functions on Windows hosting, it is ran in a safe mode with many features disabled. It is suggested that if you wish to use a PHP intensive script of program, that you use our Linux Hosting."

    If there was a host that would allow both, fully functional, that would be wonderful. For some reason, (knowing msft) that does not seem like something possible.
     
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    Mystique Well-Known Member

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    I'm using UCV host http://www.ucvhost.com

    People say that you get what you pay for, however this belief is not always accurate.

    I did a research before signup finding very bad reputation about this host but dating back from 2000-2001. Bearing in mind that they have been in business since 1998, I thought that if they were so bad they would not be around today, and it looks like I was not wrong.

    My account was setup instantly and since I'm hosted with them I've have no problems nor downtimes.

    Contrary to Godaddy, UCV host run PHP with safe mode off, which is one of the major problems in almost any hosting service including Linux servers.

    The only limitation I have found is the obvious of all Windows Servers: .htaccess does not work, so you will not be able to use mod_rewrite or any other directive controlled by this file

    for the full PHP report check your pm please ;)
     
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    corinaw Not Banned

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    Thank you mystic. Very much.

    I'm actually surprised public opinion is for asp/or at least as far as I can see from all your comments.

    Maybe asp is superior, but all the "good stuff" is php.
     
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    corinaw Not Banned

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    #10
    I found this code for a forum in php
    any comments pro or con?

    What is phpBB?

    phpBB is a high powered, fully scalable, and highly customizable Open Source bulletin board package. phpBB has a user-friendly interface, simple and straightforward administration panel, and helpful FAQ. Based on the powerful PHP server language and your choice of MySQL, MS-SQL, PostgreSQL or Access/ODBC database servers, phpBB is the ideal free community solution for all web sites.
    Who are phpBB?

    phpBB are a group of individuals based internationally who believe in Open Source software. The project has been stable since its creation in June 2000 without changes in licensing, leadership or corporate associations. Our goals remain unchanged and clear, to continue developing and supporting a stable, free, Open Source forum system.
     
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    Godaddy supports php perfectly on the Linux server option that they offer.

    I can't believe the support still out there for asp. Oh well, as long as some people are happy.
     
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    phpBB is a forum with a reputation of being the favorite target for hackers.
    at the official site they say many improvements has been made and, in fact the main bug related to the username "God" has been fixed to improve security. http://www.phpbb.com

    phpBB comes as one-click installation on servers with cPanel, and in some Pleask and Ensim control panels.

    UCV host has its own control panel but the script is also available there, ready to click for auto installation.

    However I like this:http://www.vubb.com PHP
    with the look and feel of vBulletin but freeware and with good performance

    Or this, http://www.webwizguide.info/web_wiz_forums ASP
     
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    You must be kidding dude.
     
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    Why would I kid about this? Do you see growth or decline for hosts supporting php? Why is there growth for support in asp?
     
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    English is the first language I learnt to speak. Now, I'm learning French. Does that mean that I won't be speaking English soon?

    At the same time, my baby daughter is learning to speak (English). Relative to her previous level of English language knowledge, she's learning a lot more English than I am learning English, relative to my previous level of English language knowledge. Does that mean that soon I won't be speaking English?


    Your argument is totally wrong, for a number of reasons:
    1) ASP and PHP are not mutually exclusive: 100% of the web servers in the world could run ASP and yet that doesn't mean that PHP will be dead, as at the same time 100% of the web servers in the world could run PHP.

    2) Virtual server support of ASP is a fairly new concept, while the PHP support has been strong for a lot longer than ASP. Of course you'll see growth support for ASP. Unless you're seeing an actual decline in the number of hosts that support PHP, then nothing can be assumed about PHP by observing ASP.

    3) Whilever there are cheap hosts, there will be PHP support. Those cheap hosts don't run on Windows and therefore can't support ASP. Simple as that.

    Also, regarding the whole 'safe mode' thing. That doesn't mean anything. ASP is essentially run in the same sandbox, except it's either a) always been done, or b) done by ASP itself (without any intervention by the administrator).

    Changing from PHP to ASP doesn't automatically mean 'yes, being able to run a script at 100% CPU for hours on end is OK!'.
     
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    Hi,

    I spoke to my man yesterday who is an online genius. About your scenario. He says he can build your site/s with a new language that all servers will handle and it will do everything you want it to do.

    You must give this guy a go. He is very very good at this stuff!
     
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    Oh, I get it, Whimpering Warrior. Your true objective isn't to provide advice about PHP vs. ASP, but just to solicit your friend's services.

    corinaw, I know this doesn't answer your questions about which hosting/forum/directory to use, but here are some comparisons of ASP.NET and PHP.
    http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/hull_asp.html
    http://weblogs.asp.net/bleroy/articles/193608.aspx
     
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    Mate! Sorry about this but that's a bad analysis. If you were in the fortune telling game my friend you would be stone cold broke.

    I only suggested to Corinaw that this guy could help her out. Not to purchase his services. Don't judge a book by it's cover buddy! You'll end up with egg on your face!
     
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    Yeah I ran into same issues with godaddy. So I made all my pages .asp extensions. They seem to load much easier and and great to work with.
     
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